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this Fade to Black with your host Jimmy

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Church on the game changer Radio Network

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well well well good evening everybody

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Fade to Black I am your host Jimmy

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church today is Tuesday May 30th

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2023 our guest tonight Pete Kelsey is

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with us part of the team there at

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Skinwalker Ranch we've got a lot of

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things we are going to be covering

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tonight about reality modeling uh at the

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ranch including drones lidar uh mapping

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and all the strange goings on up there

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at skin walker Ranch Pete has spent over

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25 years in the aec architecture

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engineering and construction industry uh

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by the way uh Pete left a big chunk of

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his bio out I found out earlier this

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evening but I don't know we'll be

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talking much about that but that's

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specializing in civil engineering land

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he has led strategic projects all over

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the world documenting historic cultural

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including the moai of Easter Island and

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the USS Arizona using reality captured

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digital twin technology tonight we are

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going to be discussing skin walker Ranch

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his links are below over on our website

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and throughout social media I want to

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get straight to it and welcome for the

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first time to Fade to Black Pete Kelsey

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Pete hey Jimmy good to see you it's a

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small world my man it's a it's a small

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world and and uh okay let's let's do

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this first Pete um uh I've got to get

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the First Time guest disclaimer out of

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the way which is this Pete it's just you

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and I sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts it's

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already started and uh where it's gonna

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end it's gonna end but we're gonna end

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as friends there you go except

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do you accept you have to click you have

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to click

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I accept the challenge

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It's a Small World Pete I'm not gonna

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get into uh uh what we just talked about

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but I will say this he says

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It's a small world but I wouldn't want

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to paint it wow say hello to PK so was

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that your nickname back in the day they

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called you uh no my my nickname back in

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the day was

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was not PK no

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oh man and uh it's great to finally have

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um one of the things that uh we were

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discussing earlier but life is a journey

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right and it and it you can't predict

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anything you go through it and it brings

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you to where you are today and where you

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are today and and what you are working

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on that's a strange journey and I kind

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of want to know how how you got there

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um my journey I've I'm pretty public

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about it but how did you wind up team

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Skinwalker that's that's that's that's

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that's that's where you always into this

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it was an accident actually

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and one of the guys who was involved

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with a company called Prometheus

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what I did for a living and now I

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um the Skinwalker Ranch series and

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um it's been great ever since so kind of

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a as you say uh one of those 90 degree

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unexpected turns in our uh

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Journeys around the Sun

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the the ideas not only uh with a skin

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walker and some of the theories about

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what may be going on uh up there

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um Skinwalker isn't the only location uh

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there there's craziness that goes on all

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around the world uh did you pay

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say I'll just pull some stuff out of the

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air Stonehenge or Egypt uh you mentioned

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Easter Island but let's go further back

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the Paranormal or the supernatural or or

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that my attitude began to change let's

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isn't it fascinating

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can go through life and not Ponder

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anything outside of their world right

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they just they they look they just live

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life and that's fine but they don't

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something that doesn't fit right your

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world view it can be a pretty dramatic

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in that the world is in what it seems to

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know oftentimes called an epiphany now I

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what's going on with me but

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this before I mean the ranch has become

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my white whale it's it's it's gone from

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happening here any more than anybody

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as long as I have an all-access past

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year I I would love to help you know

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um the one takeaway that I do have and

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Skinwalker but the one takeaway

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is is Brandon fugle and his resources

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and his ability

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to to fund right to get the capital

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needed to go and and and do some serious

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research and just imagine what we would

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uh resource access to other sites around

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the world right

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well anybody knows this he wears it on

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his sleeve this is a passionate guy who

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is committed financially

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to try to get some to get some answers

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right to make some sense out of

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why this place

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is what it is and

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if not thousands of years right would

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anything okay

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be straight with me would anything

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surprise you now I mean is it are you at

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the point now or well okay it's skin

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is this is this an R rated program by

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the way uh I I I tend to not use foul

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ear P Kelsey and apparently we're old

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old friends so

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what long creative profane

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know describe it as my white whale

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it's and sadly that kind of makes me

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Ahab and I accept that

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about Brandon I mean that's sort of

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enthusiasm is infectious right

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which I love in fact I told him

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a year ago I don't even remember it

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doesn't matter I was telling him it's

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like you know having been around the

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guys now for a while and we were just

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was in he was in a band that was chasing

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record deals back in the day I'm not

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making this up what does he play don't

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tell me he was the singer

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uh keyboardist really yeah oh things are

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getting really strange

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thanks so you know when I I made a band

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reference he's like wow that's

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interesting I'm like yeah man when I was

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playing I wanted to play with people who

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were better than me right who would push

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me and make me a better player and

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humor and the the highs and the lows and

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feels like to me to this day and I'm not

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and this is important I'm I'm a guest

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every once in a while I get a call and I

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they're amazing and I'm grateful that

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they'll have me but I am not in the band

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um would you classify uh I'm gonna get

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into specifics uh about skin walker

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we're going to be doing that for the

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rest of the show but would you classify

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yourself

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um and take this the wrong way okay I

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want you to take this the wrong way

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would you classify yourself as a skeptic

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uh before skinwalker

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uh maybe I guess it depends on your

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definition right because I've

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when when asked

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you know some you know 30 000 foot view

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question like you know Pete do you think

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we're alone my answer has been the same

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our adult life which is I sure hope not

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right right right it's

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so it's somewhere between that and

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because I've spent

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spent most of my career or the second

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half of my career

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you know working with engineers and

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scientific Realm

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you know that had an effect on

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me as well so that's the skeptical part

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so I I that sort of exists in this fuzzy

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gray area between the two believe me

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I'm I'm one of the people when I'm

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working at the ranch or elsewhere on

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similar types of material thinking

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nothing would make me happier

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or maybe that's not the right word

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let me try to rephrase it another way

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one of my favorite things in the world

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is disruptive science right where some

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Discovery or some

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thing happens that takes a narrative

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from it's always been this to

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sorry it's now that well isn't that well

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okay that's what science is supposed to

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do right and and science is nothing but

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a series of Corrections

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if you go back and you look at science

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hundreds of years ago and and what was

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assumed to be this as and you put it

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really well it has taken left and right

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turns you know science is nothing but a

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series of Corrections that's I love that

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I agree yeah yeah yeah and and so do you

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feel that

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um science and and I I I want to say the

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Paranormal let's just call it the

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strange right whatever whatever that is

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yeah but they are starting to collide

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now

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is science today some of the things and

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the ideas and the theories that are put

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forward by some very brilliant

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physicists and very smart Minds

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are is crazy talk

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crazy talk

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parallel worlds 11 Dimensions uh the

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Multiverse right these time travel that

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that's that's just crazy talk but they

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will say the numbers say it's so

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right so we have to and that but our

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community has been talking about this

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for thousands of years so it seems like

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uh something radical is about to happen

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yeah some kind of convergence perhaps I

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I love that and like I said before I'm

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believe me I'm at the front of the lines

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and bring it because I would

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I'm I'm I'm ready right it's

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uh I'm just I'm reminded of something

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that happened on my first visit to the

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ranch which is relevant to this

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which is just in some something we were

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shooting or whatever a conversation and

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I used the word believe

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and somehow and Travis looked right at

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me and he said yo we don't use that word

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around here

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okay

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and I just was like

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whoa uh well okay got it I won't forget

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that and but he went on to say that look

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you know

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whatever is happening here we have to

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it's it

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we're after the facts we're after we're

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after the science where we need

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the community what the planet Humanity

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whatever needs and wants answers and the

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answers aren't going to come from

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confirmation bias I know this is crude

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just because it's true and I love that

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and frankly that's why I have been going

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back is because he kicked my ass on day

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one and I thought you know

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I think I can get along with these folks

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because that sort of fits

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that fits really well because

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um

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I'm I'm just as hungry for answers as

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everybody else is that has plagued the

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human race since we're capable of

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thought right

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well let's start there then

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all right what's

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what what what is that Dome under the

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Mesa

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now and now although that is a huge

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broad right but to speculate when you

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look at the Mesa and then you step back

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and you picture what has been described

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as you know this this structure maybe

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it's a ship I don't I don't know what it

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is but there appears to be something

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there

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I wish I knew I mean honestly if I did

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know of course I've signed my life away

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for ndas that are this high

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but

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um

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I don't know I I don't know I can tell

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you that

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you know and I could tell a number of

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stories about the tech that I brought

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out there and used in that particular

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area and some of the

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things that I can't explain have

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happened you know more than one occasion

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with different sensors at different

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times I mean just

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strange strange things

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um if there is

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um

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if there is a dome structure underneath

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the Mesa looking at the Mesa itself it

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would have to have been there for a very

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long time yes my pragmatic way of

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looking at it is if that is indeed the

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case then the Mesa has built itself up

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naturally over time on top of this

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structure which we would be potentially

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talking about

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tens of millions of years or longer

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um and see and that's the part

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because I tried to be a geologist once

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so I

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this is this conversation's right up my

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street it's uh

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that makes me think of the anomaly in

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the GPR data that my friend Jan got up

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there which

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is he said it best you know he was

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wide-eyed he didn't

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he was

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another third party expert who came on

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the property and got his ass skin walker

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yeah right right

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and he he said it he said it so well

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he's like that

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is anomalous

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and you know that it doesn't warrant

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further investigation of course it does

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of course it does

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so that to me with you know some of the

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other things if it's going that's been

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going on in and around the Mesa and the

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triangle

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obviously it's an area of focus

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um I think it's probably going to be for

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some time

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but you know the Dome and the Mesa well

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I can't tell you much about it

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other than things you already know

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they've

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tried Drilling in there what three times

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at least twice

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and you know the drill gets to a certain

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point it stops

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well because I spent so much time in

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civil engineering and surveying my mind

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went right to well where's the

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intersection

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from

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where's that intersection it bearings

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from each of those

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girls sites

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that interests me a lot

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of course and

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um at the end of I don't know if it was

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last week's episode or the week before

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um Thomas said and I I don't know I

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don't know Thomas but sometimes he says

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the smartest things right where you just

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go what yeah of course

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so I don't know if it was last week's

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show of the week before but Thomas said

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why don't we drill from the top down

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right there good right and and I was

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okay so why don't they drill from the

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top down or is that coming up later on

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this season

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a well

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it's beyond my pay grade I

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but hey I I defer to Tom

489
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he's right yeah we should try to find

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that intersection because that's exactly

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what you're referring to and it makes a

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lot of sense okay now um help me

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understand a couple of things and I've

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tried to

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learn uh these things so help me

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understand

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is the Dome

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itself if you're looking from the top

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down is it circular

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or is it elliptical because the Mesa

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looks elliptical

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so is it the shape is the Dome the shape

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of the Mesa or is the Dome from top down

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circular

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I don't know honestly I don't know I

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don't know I'm not sure anybody knows if

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they know

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they're not telling me

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um

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uh the only thing that I remember about

511
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the Mesa in terms of like geometry was

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something a friend of mine pointed out

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um

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when we were

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you know I had I had generated all this

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really accurate three-dimensional data

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the property to include the Mesa and I

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had a friend of mine my good friend Dave

519
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from Nvidia

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was fooling around with some of their

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super Advanced software and all he

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happened to do was draw a circle

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in plan view looking straight down on

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Amazing he drew a circle around it

525
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and he was doing some other you know

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calculus kind of things and he he went

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wow that's interesting and I went what

528
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and he goes look at look at the diameter

529
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of that Circle because all he did was

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just phrase the Mason because the face

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of the Mason is sort of half moon

532
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semi-circular shape right

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the circle he just drew completely

534
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randomly was at a diameter of

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5280 feet

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which is exactly one mile

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coincidence maybe probably but I thought

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that wow that's that's

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interesting

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so to anybody on Google Earth draw a

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circle

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see if you get a diameter of a mile you

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probably will or pretty darn close to it

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um and that

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you know beyond that it's

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it's you know I defer to the things that

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I know having been there

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um

549
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you know I've I've lost three drones on

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00:27:05,649 --> 00:27:04,080
that property

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okay

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the only thing that I know

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00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,460
confidently that I can say with

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pretty self-assured

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00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,000
is there is undoubtedly some serious Emi

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00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,520
going on on that property

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00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,260
electromagnetic interference

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00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:24,179
because if you watch the show and you

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00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:25,200
know the history of the place

560
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,799
Electronics do not behave they just

561
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don't not consistently

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and electronics like I use that are

563
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:35,760
dependent on half a dozen Technologies

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00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:37,980
you know GPS and

565
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,520
electric motors and radio control and

566
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,159
all this kind of stuff

567
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:45,360
um

568
00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:46,679
you know

569
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:50,159
and specifically in and around that area

570
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,159
the triangle the Mesa I mean

571
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:55,860
you know I consider myself lucky that

572
00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:58,919
most of my gear has come back intact not

573
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,419
all of it but

574
00:28:07,549 --> 00:28:02,760
most of it

575
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:07,559
um uh uh one of my uh moderators uh just

576
00:28:11,630 --> 00:28:10,200
popped this up and I know it's a basic

577
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,640
question but I'm going to put this here

578
00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:13,679
because we're going to be talking about

579
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:16,679
lidar uh tonight

580
00:28:22,130 --> 00:28:19,080
um uh bill says has ground penetrating

581
00:28:26,330 --> 00:28:22,140
radar been used on the property

582
00:28:30,110 --> 00:28:26,340
um the short answer is yes it it has

583
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:30,120
um what's your experience with that and

584
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:33,779
when we talk about ground penetrating

585
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:37,799
radar is it lidar is is is lighter the

586
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,240
blanket uh uh technology

587
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:44,640
right that it when we when we talk about

588
00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:46,799
ground penetrating radar

589
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,140
it's they're actually kind of different

590
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,380
it's it's it if I was to really

591
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:55,080
generalize it I would say

592
00:29:03,169 --> 00:28:58,679
lidar is laser-based and

593
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,179
used to model the ground from

594
00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,000
my case using drones so you get

595
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:08,580
topography you get a real super accurate

596
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:12,559
3D three-dimensional data of the ground

597
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:15,960
VPR ground penetrating radar is radar

598
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:20,100
based which is essentially radio-based

599
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:24,000
so it sends radio signals into the

600
00:29:28,149 --> 00:29:24,960
ground

601
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,159
and the radio signals will get different

602
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:31,679
returns based on what they encounter

603
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:35,279
right voids different hardnesses of

604
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,860
rocks different layers of rock I mean

605
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,120
all that kind of thing

606
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,039
so

607
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:43,380
um in a general sense lidar is above

608
00:29:48,169 --> 00:29:47,039
ground GPR is underground perfect now

609
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,179
perfect

610
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:50,880
um will will GPR ground penetrating

611
00:29:56,409 --> 00:29:54,240
radar when it gives a return is there a

612
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,419
way to determine what the material is

613
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,279
metallic rock water

614
00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:00,480
um

615
00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:03,179
I I don't want to overstep my authority

616
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:06,659
on GPR we need my friend Yan here who's

617
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:09,360
worked on the ranch with gbr

618
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:13,500
um I'll cautiously say

619
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:16,640
maybe I I want to say

620
00:30:22,430 --> 00:30:19,140
maybe because I'm sure that anything

621
00:30:25,010 --> 00:30:22,440
metallic would get a

622
00:30:27,549 --> 00:30:25,020
I mean remarkably different signature

623
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:27,559
than something non-metallic

624
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:31,200
but I'd have to have that confirmed as

625
00:30:35,690 --> 00:30:32,640
wood void

626
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:35,700
right if there's something you know if

627
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,799
the Mesa is hollow which some people you

628
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:40,200
know a lot of people talk about that you

629
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:43,140
know what would that look like in the

630
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:44,940
GPR

631
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:48,840
um well and Jan being a

632
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:52,159
young being as smart yeah I mean his PhD

633
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:56,640
geophysicist he knows his stuff he

634
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,700
he was wide-eyed I mean gobsmack

635
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:01,860
Emerald's rolling

636
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:06,240
he he got skin watered as I say and he

637
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:07,020
just

638
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,000
fell back on

639
00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:11,760
that is anomalous

640
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:14,039
which I just love because

641
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:16,260
what does that mean that mean yeah that

642
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:17,880
means the honest never seen this before

643
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,220
that means he is not gonna you know

644
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,980
Venture a guess on camera

645
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:25,440
um and you know I just I'm smiling off

646
00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:27,000
camera gone

647
00:31:34,430 --> 00:31:29,340
welcome to the ranch yeah exactly

648
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,440
exactly and with your topography

649
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:36,320
um and lidar

650
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:40,440
data collection of the ranch what what

651
00:31:47,230 --> 00:31:42,539
stands out for you and what have you

652
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:49,650
number one thing

653
00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:50,039
[Music]

654
00:31:54,289 --> 00:31:51,059
um

655
00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:54,299
is that GPS you know the satellites

656
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,760
that's how you're they know your phone

657
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,320
knows where it is it makes everything

658
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:00,299
work

659
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:02,580
GPS

660
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:03,899
um

661
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,960
it can be really problematic on that

662
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:08,700
property and I've never seen this

663
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:10,140
anywhere else

664
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:12,200
and I've used GPS

665
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,480
dependent sensors leg lidar all over the

666
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:17,460
world

667
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:19,200
um

668
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,140
and what do I mean by this I mean you've

669
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:24,000
seen it in the show it's like a

670
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:25,880
consistent

671
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:27,480
anomaly

672
00:32:37,970 --> 00:32:34,610
problems with lack of a better word and

673
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:37,980
I mean all flavors of GBS so whether

674
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:40,140
it's my drones

675
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,520
all of a sudden they don't know where

676
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,500
they are or they think they're two miles

677
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,200
underground or they think they're 80

678
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:48,539
miles you know to the east or west or

679
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,700
north

680
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:52,620
um to

681
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,279
um

682
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
the helicopter the h-130 the Brandon's

683
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:58,080
helicopter that his brother Cameron

684
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:01,200
flies I mean the helicopters GPS I mean

685
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:06,000
Aviation grade GPS which is critical for

686
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,340
air traffic controls so everybody knows

687
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:09,840
where everybody is

688
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:12,419
same kind of thing oh you're a mile from

689
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:13,799
where you think you are or you're

690
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:16,679
underground or you're you're 10 000 feet

691
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:20,100
and you're Higher Than You Think You Are

692
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:24,240
to the really small GPS sensors that

693
00:33:30,169 --> 00:33:27,659
Eric Bard will put on my drones he will

694
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,179
put on other people's gear because he's

695
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:33,840
a smart guy and he knows he's on the

696
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:37,260
scent of this GPS problem so he puts GPS

697
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,620
trackers on everything even things that

698
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:43,679
have GPS so there's a redundant system

699
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:47,279
to look at you know the thing is GBS

700
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,120
versus sensors GPS and one might say

701
00:33:55,549 --> 00:33:53,039
everything's fine and the other says

702
00:33:58,450 --> 00:33:55,559
you're in New Jersey I mean I'm

703
00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:58,460
exaggerating but you get the point it's

704
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:02,100
that it's forgive the long answer but to

705
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,179
me

706
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,700
the GPS problems

707
00:34:11,710 --> 00:34:08,159
or issues or anomalies whatever the

708
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:11,720
right word is is

709
00:34:21,230 --> 00:34:16,080
really interesting and if give me 30

710
00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:23,570
as an old surveyor who is teaching me

711
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:27,720
the robes many years ago taught me

712
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:31,919
what really makes GPS work and I this is

713
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:34,619
sort of fundamentally any surveyors

714
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,419
listening will lose their mind until

715
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,879
they realize that it's true what really

716
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:41,280
makes GPS work

717
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:42,659
time

718
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,200
yes that's right meaning a really

719
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:48,240
accurate blah

720
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:51,300
so and the more accurate clock you have

721
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,419
the more precise your location can be

722
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,280
determined and be determined on the

723
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:01,310
so

724
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:04,800
um and this is my this is a bit of my

725
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:09,720
white whale Theory hypothesis guess

726
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:15,480
is that because GPS is time-based

727
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,180
I sure wonder if there's something time

728
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:20,400
related that doesn't you know the time

729
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,160
doesn't behave the same on the rent that

730
00:35:27,710 --> 00:35:25,500
it does everywhere else

731
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:27,720
and I can remember suggesting this

732
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:30,180
putting this in Travis's ear

733
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:34,800
and Travis love Travis he lives out loud

734
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,619
there's no inner voice what you see is

735
00:35:41,690 --> 00:35:40,140
what you get and you went like this he

736
00:35:43,329 --> 00:35:41,700
went

737
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,339
wow

738
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,660
and we've been

739
00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:48,060
that keeps coming up

740
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,740
um

741
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,720
GPS

742
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:52,800
we're going to stay right here for a

743
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:56,460
second sure GPS

744
00:36:03,589 --> 00:35:59,599
um is dependent on

745
00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,599
the calculations of known laws of

746
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:05,760
physics yep

747
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:11,359
um today in that uh a watch

748
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:15,839
at my altitude where I am I'm in the

749
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:18,920
desert right I'm in the Mojave Desert

750
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:22,260
is it keeps a certain time you go to the

751
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:24,500
top of Mount Everest

752
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:28,440
and that same watch is going to be off

753
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:30,420
by a little bit now now it's it's it's

754
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:33,599
it's a tiny number right it's a tiny

755
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:37,700
number but gravity affects that

756
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,480
once you position GPS satellites out in

757
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:43,520
space

758
00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:46,260
now we are off

759
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:49,020
right now now we're talking about real

760
00:36:54,410 --> 00:36:51,480
amounts of time so

761
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:54,420
um it's it's frame drops and there's

762
00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:57,960
other ways of combating this but they

763
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,160
have to offset those GPS satellites okay

764
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,520
and the difference is

765
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,400
whether you are going to turn left into

766
00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:11,280
a building or turn left onto a street

767
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:13,400
that's the difference

768
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:17,099
in in in in that importance of that

769
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:18,839
correction of time

770
00:37:26,930 --> 00:37:22,800
uh with GPS systems and it is so

771
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,940
dependable now that things are accurate

772
00:37:32,349 --> 00:37:30,000
within inches right and we know that we

773
00:37:36,470 --> 00:37:32,359
can drive our car we're we're

774
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,480
now if if anything went wrong Pete with

775
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,079
GPS the world's got a problem

776
00:37:46,569 --> 00:37:42,900
and if there is something specifically

777
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:46,579
going on with GPS at Skinwalker Ranch

778
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,359
then it would have to be this is my it

779
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:53,700
would have to be time and I think that's

780
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:55,920
your your your spot on the money now

781
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:01,560
what but but what what anomaly what what

782
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,160
thing in nature right I'm not going E.T

783
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:07,680
yet but what thing in nature

784
00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:10,740
could cause time anomalies and Time

785
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:15,300
Slips in a geographic location uh what

786
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:19,920
would cause that that is a question for

787
00:38:25,609 --> 00:38:24,660
the ages absolutely what why and this is

788
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,619
why

789
00:38:30,109 --> 00:38:27,960
when I started going down this path yeah

790
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,119
the phone in my voice changes and I get

791
00:38:37,810 --> 00:38:31,920
wide-eyed and because it's the white

792
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:37,820
whale yeah it's that to me is one of the

793
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,280
smoking guns it's it's it's the thing

794
00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:43,440
because of what I do for a living I'm

795
00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,300
carrying a bit of my own bias here

796
00:38:49,609 --> 00:38:47,579
because everything I do is location

797
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:49,619
based everything

798
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,040
so admitting that

799
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:55,619
um I still say

800
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,420
um

801
00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:00,240
I've

802
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,640
it's

803
00:39:04,930 --> 00:39:04,320
you look for

804
00:39:09,490 --> 00:39:04,940
you

805
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:09,500
right right right right right right

806
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:12,900
can this happens all the time could it

807
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:14,940
be magnetic could be could it be caused

808
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,220
by rocks or something like that and if

809
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:19,440
it could wouldn't we be hearing about

810
00:39:25,069 --> 00:39:22,560
this from all over the world it seems

811
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,079
like talk about repeatability there

812
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:27,300
would be issues with GPS and in other

813
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:29,640
cities around the world and I I don't

814
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,460
hear about this no and if there were we

815
00:39:36,730 --> 00:39:34,740
certainly would I mean right you can't

816
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:36,740
drive in Tokyo man

817
00:39:43,870 --> 00:39:39,119
not to mention get on a commercial

818
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:43,880
airliner and want to come back

819
00:39:51,050 --> 00:39:47,760
it's the other the other bit of this is

820
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:51,060
that and this is where I really step out

821
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,220
of my own expertise which I'll admit

822
00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:54,480
again

823
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,940
this is why this is where we need folks

824
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,079
like

825
00:40:02,329 --> 00:40:00,300
um Travis and Eric who are bona fide

826
00:40:03,530 --> 00:40:02,339
physicists

827
00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:03,540
but

828
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,579
I'm it has to do with the speed of light

829
00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:11,160
the time that it takes the radial

830
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,300
signals to get from the GPS satellites

831
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:17,579
to my phone and back to figure out where

832
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:19,320
I am

833
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:21,720
so time and the speed of light now we're

834
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,320
getting into Einstein in relativity and

835
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,300
you know to your question about what

836
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:29,760
could cause this

837
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:33,839
I have no idea I it's it's beyond me but

838
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:36,480
boy is it sunk its hooks into me to try

839
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,720
to help the guys in whatever way I can

840
00:40:44,210 --> 00:40:41,880
get to the bottom of it but

841
00:40:46,730 --> 00:40:44,220
I think of um

842
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:46,740
uh what was his name Colonel Alexander

843
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:48,540
right

844
00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,680
here he is cat man he uh and he didn't

845
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,540
blink I think it's in one of the early

846
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,180
early episodes of the series you know

847
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,040
one after you know so what's going on

848
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,960
it's skin rocker Ranch he doesn't blink

849
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,640
he looks right in the camera Cameron he

850
00:41:07,310 --> 00:41:04,560
goes it's a portal

851
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,320
it's a portal yeah yeah that I've always

852
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,839
found that interesting

853
00:41:19,970 --> 00:41:12,060
um the

854
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:19,980
when they started to pull out those

855
00:41:23,710 --> 00:41:21,920
pieces of

856
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:23,720
material

857
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:26,760
that now it's been repeated on every

858
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,660
episode uh since it happened uh the same

859
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,480
the same material used on the on the

860
00:41:37,810 --> 00:41:36,720
space shuttle okay all right okay

861
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:37,820
um

862
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:40,859
did you what do you think

863
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,000
if that is if that is not of nature if

864
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,700
that is not a naturally form then then

865
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:50,160
how did it get there and what is it

866
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:53,640
doing there and I would think that this

867
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,540
is a bigger deal than than the show is

868
00:42:01,849 --> 00:41:58,980
this is like

869
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,859
this is history changing stuff what do

870
00:42:09,970 --> 00:42:04,079
you think that that material is that

871
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:14,150
did you hold it no no I wasn't there for

872
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:15,240
that bit

873
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:15,900
um

874
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:18,960
uh I wasn't on site but when I watched

875
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:22,079
the show and I saw that bit honestly my

876
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,180
first thought was oh that's some kind of

877
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,980
lining from the inside of the holding

878
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:27,000
tank

879
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:30,060
but it it wasn't

880
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:32,700
it wasn't and

881
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:35,880
um because your point I mean these the

882
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,359
materials that they had analyzed at uh

883
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:42,000
University of Utah I mean these are

884
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:44,099
seriously Rare Earth

885
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:46,619
and to your point they're synthetic they

886
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,660
don't occur naturally so yeah

887
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:53,760
it's it's another one of these questions

888
00:42:57,410 --> 00:42:54,900
where

889
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:57,420
I wish I had an answer I mean if I did

890
00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:01,319
I'd I'd be in Stockholm in the audience

891
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:03,960
watching the guys get their their Nobel

892
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:09,790
um

893
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:13,560
in in the world of nature okay so when

894
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,079
we're talking about the ceramic tiles uh

895
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:17,760
the heat shields on the outside of the

896
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,700
Space Shuttle it's a serious that's it's

897
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:22,560
one of the biggest achievements of

898
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:23,700
mankind

899
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,940
right to develop that material

900
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,319
um uh for the outside of the Space

901
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,660
Shuttle so it could re-enter fly right

902
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,180
and and re-enter Earth's atmosphere it's

903
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:35,520
a really big deal

904
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:39,180
um do Ceramics like that

905
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:43,740
form in nature uh you if you study

906
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:46,740
geology a little bit uh have you ever

907
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,859
heard of this is it possible not not to

908
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:52,140
my knowledge no right right no it's

909
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:53,880
these are

910
00:44:02,390 --> 00:43:59,819
I mean manufactured

911
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:02,400
so you know what's the origin of that

912
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:10,970
uh incredibly nagging questions that a

913
00:44:17,630 --> 00:44:13,640
whole lot of people

914
00:44:18,829 --> 00:44:17,640
and more every day you know want answers

915
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,839
to

916
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:21,359
um including me yeah yeah I'm fascinated

917
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:23,280
with that with um

918
00:44:29,390 --> 00:44:27,680
uh the the with the drilling

919
00:44:39,250 --> 00:44:29,400
for

920
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:42,470
drill through anything that's drilling

921
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:45,060
through stuff is not an issue

922
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:48,839
right it's really that simple for for a

923
00:44:54,290 --> 00:44:51,780
drill to come up on something with 8 000

924
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,300
pounds of pressure behind it and just

925
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:56,400
sit and spin

926
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:58,980
um uh you know with that high pitch you

927
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,020
know that that sound that a drill makes

928
00:45:06,589 --> 00:45:04,140
when it's not getting anywhere

929
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:06,599
um uh you know 30 minutes 8 000 pounds

930
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,720
of pressure and nothing happening uh

931
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,000
what's your best guess of what that

932
00:45:18,349 --> 00:45:14,579
drill bit is coming up against is it

933
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,359
metal is it diamond is it something that

934
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:20,880
a drill cannot possibly drill through

935
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,400
which I find that hard to imagine

936
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:25,800
especially with 8 000 pounds of pressure

937
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,339
and those that's not a small drill that

938
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:32,280
they're using no no

939
00:45:37,450 --> 00:45:32,960
um

940
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:40,790
not to sound flippant about it but

941
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:43,020
what could it be it

942
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,160
my reasonable brain or what's left of it

943
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,319
um something harder

944
00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:51,599
than the drill bit

945
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:53,640
well

946
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:57,839
wow because we're talking I mean this is

947
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,599
Utah there are all kinds of

948
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,680
stratigraphic layers of all kinds of

949
00:46:05,690 --> 00:46:03,839
rock right

950
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:05,700
um to include

951
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,099
to include some really hard metamorphic

952
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:10,079
rocks to include granite and shifts and

953
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:12,000
all kinds of things

954
00:46:19,069 --> 00:46:16,440
um so what your question what would stop

955
00:46:21,470 --> 00:46:19,079
an industrial drill like that in its

956
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,480
tracks I mean something harder than the

957
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,280
drill so

958
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,619
are there minerals Harder Than You Know

959
00:46:28,730 --> 00:46:27,599
carbide steel of course you mentioned

960
00:46:30,670 --> 00:46:28,740
diamond

961
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:30,680
are there

962
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,220
uh Metals harder than carbide there must

963
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:37,920
be there must be some alloy

964
00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:41,280
um that that yeah could

965
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:43,800
stop this thing in its track so it's

966
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,380
it's you know again it's one of these

967
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,800
just

968
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:50,880
tantalizing yet

969
00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:55,740
frustrating humbling things that you

970
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,460
know

971
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,160
keep a lot of us hanging on it's like I

972
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:01,200
need to know more about that I need to

973
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:02,940
go

974
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,880
and and that's where and

975
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:07,380
that's where it can get frustrating

976
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:09,119
because you're

977
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:14,809
and I'm I'm not speaking for anybody but

978
00:47:21,069 --> 00:47:18,240
myself that's where having done a bit of

979
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,079
television in my career

980
00:47:26,569 --> 00:47:24,000
if there's one thing that's death to

981
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,579
television producers it's the same

982
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,800
material over and over again

983
00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:30,240
because people are going to change the

984
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,740
channel

985
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:33,599
the problem with that is that doesn't

986
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:35,460
really line up really well with a

987
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,140
scientific investigation which is

988
00:47:43,609 --> 00:47:39,180
repeatability

989
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:43,619
so if the drills stop why let's ah and

990
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:46,260
you know coming up with an ex an

991
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,300
experiment something to follow up on it

992
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,359
that satisfies

993
00:47:55,849 --> 00:47:53,280
television

994
00:47:57,770 --> 00:47:55,859
and the scientists that's you know I

995
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:57,780
don't know how those guys do it I I

996
00:48:02,329 --> 00:47:59,099
don't

997
00:48:04,910 --> 00:48:02,339
well I'm surprised Thomas didn't jump in

998
00:48:06,050 --> 00:48:04,920
and go okay let's use a diamond tip

999
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:06,060
drill bit

1000
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,260
it probably did he probably did because

1001
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,960
that's what I that's where I was going

1002
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,119
um one of the things you know when it

1003
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:16,800
when when it stopped I was like change

1004
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,319
the drill bit then right let's go with

1005
00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,839
uh what's harder than you know and I

1006
00:48:26,750 --> 00:48:23,880
know that there's Diamond tit drill bits

1007
00:48:28,970 --> 00:48:26,760
of course right yes so

1008
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,980
um and maybe we'll see that in a future

1009
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,900
episode but it seems like the next

1010
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:32,579
logical step

1011
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,760
um uh with that before we head to a

1012
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:37,260
Break

1013
00:48:44,450 --> 00:48:40,880
um just put on your your your your

1014
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,460
fantasy cap for a second would would it

1015
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:46,380
surprise you

1016
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:48,540
if that was a flying saucer under that

1017
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:52,140
Mesa that's covered in millions of years

1018
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,319
of dirt and rock wouldn't surprise me I

1019
00:49:06,109 --> 00:48:57,900
would if I'd

1020
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:09,470
thing I I mean it's the net for me it's

1021
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:12,720
like the natural Next Step here it's

1022
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:15,240
almost like Occam's razor it's like the

1023
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:17,160
simplest answer I I think it's the

1024
00:49:25,309 --> 00:49:22,130
a

1025
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,319
I'm with you I think it's

1026
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:27,359
it's uh

1027
00:49:34,910 --> 00:49:30,240
it's a Smoking Gun the Mesa

1028
00:49:36,730 --> 00:49:34,920
no doubt about it yeah yeah okay

1029
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:36,740
um

1030
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:41,220
have you seen evidence of a Vortex of a

1031
00:49:52,150 --> 00:49:50,150
oh I like the dramatic pause remember

1032
00:50:00,109 --> 00:49:52,160
this

1033
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:00,119
so oh god well my first thought was does

1034
00:50:09,849 --> 00:50:07,130
it's

1035
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:09,859
I have seen

1036
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,560
uaps more than one when I've been on the

1037
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,800
property tell me about the first time uh

1038
00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:19,020
and and what did you see

1039
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:23,160
the first time was broad daylight and I

1040
00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:24,359
had

1041
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:30,780
a drone up in the air and I was flying a

1042
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:33,359
mapping mission of the property Eric was

1043
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,380
with me

1044
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:36,000
and

1045
00:50:41,089 --> 00:50:37,800
um

1046
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:41,099
you know I've I've got one eye on the

1047
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,780
throne and I've got one eye on the

1048
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:44,579
controller and one eye on the real-time

1049
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:47,400
feed on a laptop anyway I'm busy

1050
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,839
and there's something bright in the sky

1051
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:53,760
and I thought

1052
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:57,359
well that's wow look at that there's

1053
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,819
something bright in the sky can I jump

1054
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,640
in was that was that the first time in

1055
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:05,160
your life that you have seen the UAP

1056
00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:07,559
okay all right yes all right for

1057
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:10,380
transparency okay sir sure that's a

1058
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,640
life-changing moment and uh yeah it was

1059
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:17,460
pretty cool I gotta tell you it was not

1060
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,920
I wasn't scared I wasn't you know

1061
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:22,680
freaked out I it was just

1062
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:24,800
this is great

1063
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:29,460
because I can see it and did it have a

1064
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,619
shape did it have a show no it was it

1065
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,839
was like

1066
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,180
I would describe it as the brightest

1067
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,700
star in the sky at night but it was

1068
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:40,380
broad daylight

1069
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:44,520
and you know I'm I'm I'm not the

1070
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:47,099
you know dulla's tool in the shed I

1071
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:49,559
thought uh probably glint off a

1072
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:52,140
windscreen of a commercial aircraft

1073
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:56,400
but it didn't move it was stationary

1074
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:00,599
and I thought wow that's that's crazy

1075
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,680
and then I'm not making this up

1076
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:07,380
the Drone stopped

1077
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,839
responding to my controls

1078
00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:12,240
went into an orbit and I'm freaking out

1079
00:52:16,730 --> 00:52:14,040
because this thing is really expensive

1080
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:16,740
and I have no control over this thing

1081
00:52:22,849 --> 00:52:19,800
and it starts orbiting

1082
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:22,859
and I can't do anything and Eric tells

1083
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:24,420
us much better than I do because I'm

1084
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:28,680
screaming obscenities at the guy

1085
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:31,500
and there's literally nothing I can do

1086
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:34,260
until the battery or the batteries run

1087
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:36,119
out of the Drone and it falls out of the

1088
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:40,990
crazy

1089
00:52:48,589 --> 00:52:45,540
and how long was the UAP there did you

1090
00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:48,599
see it coming did it leave

1091
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:51,900
I don't remember because you know once I

1092
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,740
know I can't control my drone I'm I have

1093
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,020
I'm looking out for people's safety in

1094
00:53:02,809 --> 00:53:01,079
my expensive gear and so I I don't know

1095
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:02,819
I I've

1096
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:06,180
forgot about the UAP frankly but it it

1097
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:08,220
was there and I thought that's really

1098
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,980
something and then the the plot thickens

1099
00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:13,680
because the data from that so the Drone

1100
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:17,819
was damaged I managed to fix it but

1101
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:21,780
uh the data from the Drone to be able to

1102
00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:24,180
really interesting anomaly you know what

1103
00:53:29,770 --> 00:53:26,099
would have been what should have been

1104
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:29,780
nice flat topography

1105
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:34,500
had this like 30 degree Bend in it

1106
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,900
and

1107
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,059
I remember talking to the vendor you

1108
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:41,160
know who made the Drone I'm like what

1109
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:42,599
what

1110
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,200
their best guess they didn't know that

1111
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:51,119
their best guess was that looks like you

1112
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:52,900
know loss of GPS

1113
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:54,180
[Music]

1114
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:55,859
huh

1115
00:54:06,710 --> 00:53:58,559
I

1116
00:54:09,890 --> 00:54:06,720
an episode for my TV series for uh

1117
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,900
History Channel Amy and we're out in the

1118
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:12,359
middle of uh the Pacific Ocean on this

1119
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:16,800
uh boat research vessel and we had uh a

1120
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:21,599
UAV right okay and this thing was

1121
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:24,079
certified

1122
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,680
uh with sonar to 2000 feet

1123
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,440
okay two thousand feet that it wasn't

1124
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:34,740
the deepest thing that in the world but

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00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,500
that's deep 2

1126
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:39,720
000 feet right okay all right

1127
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,720
so and we've got this crane and we got

1128
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:45,000
this thing a machine or dropping this

1129
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:48,420
thing in the water and and

1130
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:51,839
um it had cameras on it and lights and

1131
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:54,900
sonar okay all right I'm pretty

1132
00:55:00,250 --> 00:54:57,960
sophisticated uh looking piece of gear I

1133
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:00,260
might add pretty cool

1134
00:55:09,470 --> 00:55:05,880
every time it got to a certain depth

1135
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:09,480
when we needed it to work the sonar

1136
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:10,619
crapped

1137
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:13,559
and it's certified to and it was I think

1138
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,720
I think it was a hundred feet

1139
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:17,640
now it's certified at two thousand feet

1140
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:22,020
right and and and to lift this thing

1141
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:24,900
back out of the water a hundred feet to

1142
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:28,140
look at it it takes a couple hours right

1143
00:55:31,609 --> 00:55:30,300
you just don't crank this thing up and

1144
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:31,619
you know

1145
00:55:37,309 --> 00:55:34,200
take it out and as soon as it got to

1146
00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:37,319
like 50 feet sonar would turn on

1147
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,059
all right and we in case there's

1148
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,420
checking cables and we have 50 people on

1149
00:55:46,010 --> 00:55:44,160
this boat everybody's an expert and

1150
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,020
everybody's looking at this it's fine

1151
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:48,180
put it back in the water it's heading

1152
00:55:54,109 --> 00:55:49,859
down everything's fine everything's fine

1153
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:54,119
boom 100 feet right sonar's out and it

1154
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:57,200
was one of the most frustrating things

1155
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:00,839
uh to go through where something is so

1156
00:56:04,849 --> 00:56:03,059
dependable especially

1157
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:04,859
um uh like you're referring to with your

1158
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,760
drone

1159
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:08,400
Dependable you use it all the time you

1160
00:56:16,849 --> 00:56:13,140
know what's up and and electronics just

1161
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,859
don't fail like the the rocket engines

1162
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:18,720
that they're always firing there at

1163
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:21,000
Skinwalker right and those are

1164
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:22,800
commercial grade you can buy at a hobby

1165
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:25,859
shop right there's no issues with those

1166
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:28,200
and it's like every other one that they

1167
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:31,740
try to fire seems to crap out

1168
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:35,880
um and so I'm I'm wondering if that 1.6

1169
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,240
right megahertz or that signal that

1170
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,700
keeps popping up is that part of this

1171
00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:44,220
interference that is happening there

1172
00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:45,540
with the gear by the way we never

1173
00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:47,780
figured out the sonar problem

1174
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,780
we didn't we didn't 16 hours at Sea and

1175
00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,960
and uh and and and never never did

1176
00:56:59,390 --> 00:56:57,300
figure that thing out and talked to the

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00:57:02,210 --> 00:56:59,400
technician later nah man everything's

1178
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:02,220
fine man I just used it at 500 and no

1179
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:05,160
it's no problem but uh no not with us

1180
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:07,380
over the specific area that we were

1181
00:57:12,349 --> 00:57:10,440
trying to investigate there you go uh

1182
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:12,359
what do you what's up with this 1.6

1183
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,859
though

1184
00:57:18,049 --> 00:57:16,140
oh God you're gonna kill me if it's

1185
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,059
going to turn into a drinking game every

1186
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:20,220
time Kelsey says I have no idea

1187
00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:23,460
everybody has to take a drink I I don't

1188
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:27,180
know it's not I I wish I did

1189
00:57:32,870 --> 00:57:30,900
like GPS it appears to be something that

1190
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:32,880
is

1191
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:33,660
um

1192
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:37,500
dare I say consistent I mean it it keeps

1193
00:57:42,410 --> 00:57:39,660
showing up right right that's

1194
00:57:44,809 --> 00:57:42,420
interesting from an investigative point

1195
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:44,819
of view so

1196
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,619
is that something that they're paying

1197
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:48,720
attention to well obviously of course

1198
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:50,460
they are

1199
00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:58,490
radio is beyond me

1200
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:00,540
um but do you take it do you think it's

1201
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,319
coming from the Mesa from the Dome it

1202
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:06,960
sure feels like it doesn't it because a

1203
00:58:11,690 --> 00:58:09,839
signal has to have a source I know I

1204
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:11,700
know that much about radio there's

1205
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:15,480
transmission and receiving right it has

1206
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:18,140
to be it has to be have an origin point

1207
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:21,900
so Mesa why not do we have to consider

1208
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:23,940
all possibilities

1209
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:26,460
well we need to uh let's take our break

1210
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:28,859
and when we come back we'll we'll go

1211
00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:31,559
right back to portals and uaps where

1212
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,800
we're leaving off now don't think I'm

1213
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:37,200
just gonna let Pete get off that easy

1214
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,900
it's not gonna happen not tonight P

1215
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:42,240
Kelsey is our guest and stay right there

1216
00:58:48,170 --> 00:58:45,900
uh this is Fade to Black and and Pete uh

1217
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:48,180
just to remind you

1218
00:58:57,410 --> 00:58:53,940
um uh I had brought up uh portals you

1219
00:58:58,970 --> 00:58:57,420
brought up uaps and so that's where we

1220
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,980
were and that's where we're going to

1221
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:01,680
come back right right after this short

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this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

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truth today our guest tonight is uh Pete

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Kelsey and we're talking about a skin

1340
01:04:01,690 --> 01:03:57,900
walker Ranch and and Pete right before

1341
01:04:06,349 --> 01:04:01,700
the break I asked you about portals

1342
01:04:11,390 --> 01:04:06,359
and interestingly enough you said uh

1343
01:04:16,250 --> 01:04:11,400
well that first day I saw a UAP and

1344
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:16,260
daytime daytime uaps daytime UFOs that's

1345
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:18,420
the Holy Grail at night it could be

1346
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:21,599
anything right you can't see it but uh

1347
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:26,220
during the day uh you got to to see your

1348
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:30,960
first uh ux it's a UFO Pete that nobody

1349
01:04:37,010 --> 01:04:33,359
calls them you APS anymore

1350
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,020
um UFO um but it was because I was

1351
01:04:47,450 --> 01:04:40,559
asking you about portals what's the

1352
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:49,609
I wish I knew

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01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:50,520
um

1354
01:04:57,789 --> 01:04:52,980
I

1355
01:05:02,770 --> 01:04:57,799
um

1356
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:02,780
I suppose it would be slightly

1357
01:05:08,030 --> 01:05:05,460
disingenuous for me to say anything

1358
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:08,040
other than

1359
01:05:15,710 --> 01:05:13,079
it's just I'm in this weird spot right

1360
01:05:17,089 --> 01:05:15,720
you know that that saying Don't Kill the

1361
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:17,099
Messenger

1362
01:05:22,609 --> 01:05:20,700
all right I'm the messenger I I show up

1363
01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:22,619
and I generate all kinds of data and

1364
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:24,839
hand it to people a lot smarter than I

1365
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:28,200
am to like tell me what's going on you

1366
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:31,260
know I I can guess with the best of them

1367
01:05:37,870 --> 01:05:35,160
um but but what was that I I guess I

1368
01:05:41,770 --> 01:05:37,880
asked the question I framed it wrong

1369
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,780
I brought up portals you brought up UAP

1370
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:43,520
so

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01:05:49,750 --> 01:05:45,960
what happened

1372
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:49,760
with the portal that you brought up the

1373
01:05:57,710 --> 01:05:52,859
was there evidence of portal action

1374
01:06:05,690 --> 01:06:01,510
not that I remember it's more it's more

1375
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:05,700
as I recount these things it's more uh

1376
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,119
Collective it's of experiences it's more

1377
01:06:15,289 --> 01:06:12,720
okay wow I saw uaps and I lost a really

1378
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:15,299
expensive drone then the data in that

1379
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,460
drone was

1380
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:19,760
so was

1381
01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:23,520
unexplainably strange I mean a 30 degree

1382
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,740
Bend in the data and the vendor couldn't

1383
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:28,020
explain it I couldn't explain it I

1384
01:06:32,630 --> 01:06:30,480
hadn't seen it before so all that and

1385
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:32,640
bio by the way all of this gets logged

1386
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:34,380
when you're on the property and I mean

1387
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:37,680
day log everything if anything happens

1388
01:06:46,190 --> 01:06:41,400
tell us it gets written down

1389
01:06:47,630 --> 01:06:46,200
that happens religiously and so as I

1390
01:06:49,549 --> 01:06:47,640
kept going and I will get to your

1391
01:06:51,890 --> 01:06:49,559
question so

1392
01:06:54,349 --> 01:06:51,900
from a collective standpoint you know

1393
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:54,359
then I think Colonel Alexander he didn't

1394
01:06:58,670 --> 01:06:56,280
blink oh it's a portal that's what's

1395
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,680
going on here well what the portalite

1396
01:07:03,710 --> 01:07:01,440
our portal has to do with at least my

1397
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,720
limited understanding is which is from

1398
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:06,240
all of Science Fiction I've watched and

1399
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,780
read my life has to do with

1400
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:12,539
a way to get from one place to the other

1401
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:15,539
over such vast distances that the only

1402
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:18,359
way to do it is to be able to manipulate

1403
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:19,680
time

1404
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:29,880
that VPS behaves badly

1405
01:07:34,730 --> 01:07:32,460
all the time and not just with me with

1406
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:34,740
just about everybody who brings

1407
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:37,859
GPS related equipment onto the property

1408
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:40,140
hmm okay

1409
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:43,140
what is make what makes GPS work time

1410
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:47,640
hmm time portals

1411
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:49,920
this happens a lot at the Mesa is there

1412
01:07:54,589 --> 01:07:51,480
something in The Mazes there's something

1413
01:07:58,430 --> 01:07:54,599
unique about the Mesa uh the 1.6

1414
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:58,440
gigahertz could this all be related

1415
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:00,539
man I hope so

1416
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:04,079
I sure hope so and selfishly would I

1417
01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:06,420
like to have my fingerprints on a small

1418
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:09,660
bit of that Discovery you damn right I

1419
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:12,240
would you're damn right I would

1420
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:12,960
um

1421
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:17,219
one of I keep referring to like the

1422
01:08:22,729 --> 01:08:19,199
latest episode but it was a couple of

1423
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,739
episodes ago but this has happened a lot

1424
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:24,960
um on the series

1425
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,799
um our strange lights orbs whatever you

1426
01:08:33,789 --> 01:08:30,839
want to call them at night appearing in

1427
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:33,799
different sections of the ranch

1428
01:08:41,090 --> 01:08:37,679
have you seen any of the light phenomena

1429
01:08:46,970 --> 01:08:44,209
um we saw let me make sure I'm not going

1430
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,980
to violate an NDA yeah this aired when

1431
01:08:55,010 --> 01:08:48,359
we did

1432
01:08:56,390 --> 01:08:55,020
over two nights by the way uh one night

1433
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:56,400
was in the East field and the other

1434
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:58,620
night was at the triangle

1435
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,920
um there was a UAP or sorry UFO there

1436
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,319
was a UFO bright light in the sky

1437
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:06,239
and this happened when we were filming

1438
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:08,640
and that's I'm pretty sure it's in the

1439
01:09:12,110 --> 01:09:10,319
episode

1440
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:12,120
um

1441
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,600
on the ground or like I've heard about

1442
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,880
you know other people have seen I I have

1443
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:22,319
not

1444
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:24,060
um but

1445
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,279
and I want to say that happens out at uh

1446
01:09:30,709 --> 01:09:29,520
hs2 Homestead two

1447
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:30,719
um

1448
01:09:35,630 --> 01:09:33,179
my first experience I think it was also

1449
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:35,640
my first visit there you know I put a

1450
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,339
handheld lidar scanner and Eric Bard's

1451
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:40,560
hand and he went in and scanned the

1452
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:43,259
exterior in the interior interior of

1453
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:45,719
Homestead too

1454
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:49,020
but there was one of the rooms in this

1455
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,620
building didn't get scanned

1456
01:09:56,930 --> 01:09:54,540
that was

1457
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,940
you know and the cameras are rolling and

1458
01:10:02,709 --> 01:09:58,800
they're like cameras Oh Pete what do you

1459
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,930
have no idea have you ever seen this

1460
01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:07,920
before no I haven't

1461
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,460
can you explain it no I can't this is

1462
01:10:17,450 --> 01:10:14,400
the laser-based system I can see the

1463
01:10:20,030 --> 01:10:17,460
solid walls in this room and the lasers

1464
01:10:25,130 --> 01:10:20,040
getting no return from this room

1465
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:28,450
so

1466
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:34,970
it keeps happening and it eats

1467
01:10:40,189 --> 01:10:36,830
um keep drawing me back

1468
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:40,199
I I the best I could do would be to

1469
01:10:46,850 --> 01:10:43,800
guess and what I worry about guessing is

1470
01:10:49,610 --> 01:10:46,860
that it puts crap out of there into The

1471
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,620
Ether that people latch onto and accept

1472
01:10:54,649 --> 01:10:52,560
this truth and I just I can't do that

1473
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,659
you know there are so many serious

1474
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,199
people who care about this work

1475
01:11:04,669 --> 01:11:00,000
yourself your audience I mean people

1476
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,679
want these answers so do I and it it

1477
01:11:07,970 --> 01:11:06,360
just there's a part of me that feels

1478
01:11:10,729 --> 01:11:07,980
there's a bit of a

1479
01:11:12,830 --> 01:11:10,739
I'm a bit cagey when you know [\h__\h]

1480
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,840
you know what do you think well right

1481
01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:14,880
right right right right right yes with

1482
01:11:19,850 --> 01:11:17,100
the best of them but I don't want to

1483
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:19,860
pollute the the hard work that's going

1484
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:23,940
on there by very serious people

1485
01:11:28,970 --> 01:11:25,560
why

1486
01:11:32,209 --> 01:11:28,980
um I I I don't want to sound like I'm

1487
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:32,219
repeating myself but

1488
01:11:39,169 --> 01:11:35,820
um it seems that

1489
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:39,179
um you bring in a professional

1490
01:11:44,030 --> 01:11:41,280
it doesn't matter what the background is

1491
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:44,040
it could be something like you know the

1492
01:11:49,130 --> 01:11:46,980
the drill operator right yeah the guy

1493
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:49,140
that's moving Boulders or the guy that's

1494
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:51,780
bringing in lidar and measuring with

1495
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:54,000
lasers right high technology it doesn't

1496
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:55,739
matter

1497
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,739
um uh it seems the veterinarian that

1498
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:00,480
they're always bringing after to the

1499
01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:02,580
ranch right it doesn't matter what the

1500
01:12:11,090 --> 01:12:04,620
background is if you show up at the

1501
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:11,100
ranch you are going to uh experience

1502
01:12:16,850 --> 01:12:13,500
something that you've never experienced

1503
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:16,860
before it it's it seems like that's the

1504
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,560
way it is across the board that

1505
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:21,600
um no matter what your background or

1506
01:12:27,070 --> 01:12:24,120
whatever your expertise is you're going

1507
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:27,080
to be exposed to something uh that is

1508
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,360
anomalous is the only word to use yeah

1509
01:12:33,950 --> 01:12:32,159
it's it's

1510
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,960
what you're describing I've actually

1511
01:12:38,810 --> 01:12:36,719
started like keeping sort of a score

1512
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:38,820
because

1513
01:12:52,910 --> 01:12:51,480
things happen

1514
01:12:55,970 --> 01:12:52,920
um you know you look for a reasonable

1515
01:12:58,810 --> 01:12:55,980
explanation and that's not always easy

1516
01:13:02,689 --> 01:12:58,820
to come up with so anyway to your point

1517
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,699
a third-party expert like myself comes

1518
01:13:07,729 --> 01:13:04,800
on the property

1519
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:07,739
professional confident has done what

1520
01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:09,540
they do a million times in a million

1521
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:12,060
different places and then things start

1522
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:13,980
to go wrong

1523
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:18,480
and it happens over and over again to

1524
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,080
such an extent like the the scene

1525
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:24,719
there was a scene we shot when Jan who

1526
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:26,520
did the GPR

1527
01:13:32,090 --> 01:13:30,000
amen and it's sort of the meet and greet

1528
01:13:34,669 --> 01:13:32,100
scene right we drive up and we all shake

1529
01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:34,679
hands and hello hello and

1530
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:37,800
Giannis some very obvious questions so

1531
01:13:41,990 --> 01:13:39,540
what's going on here and how can I help

1532
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:42,000
and as the guys are explaining to him

1533
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:43,280
the

1534
01:13:55,390 --> 01:13:52,320
he's she's checking out right he's like

1535
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:55,400
oh boy how do I get out of here

1536
01:14:01,130 --> 01:13:57,540
this is not what I thought it was going

1537
01:14:02,689 --> 01:14:01,140
to be and that is and I watched this

1538
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:02,699
happen to him

1539
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:05,100
and I just jumped in and I said to him

1540
01:14:10,490 --> 01:14:07,800
and it didn't make the show but I

1541
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:10,500
which is too bad because I looked at him

1542
01:14:15,890 --> 01:14:13,500
and I said I've been in your shoes man I

1543
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,900
know exactly what you're feeling

1544
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:18,000
I know you want to get out of here and

1545
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:20,880
now you think we're all nuts

1546
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:23,760
um and you're a PhD geophysicist you

1547
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:26,640
know your stuff your credentialed you're

1548
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,440
thinking your career is over you're

1549
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:30,540
never going to work again no one's going

1550
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,520
to take you seriously you've got all

1551
01:14:39,770 --> 01:14:35,840
that stuff I know what you're feeling

1552
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,780
just hang around and let's talk again in

1553
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:40,800
a couple of days

1554
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:43,080
[Laughter]

1555
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:46,380
and oh my God it happened to Yon

1556
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:49,320
it happened to the Drone swarm guys same

1557
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:51,960
thing hey we've lost signal on three

1558
01:14:57,169 --> 01:14:54,659
four eight now we've lost communication

1559
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:57,179
with all 200 drones and I'm there

1560
01:15:01,810 --> 01:14:58,860
watching it in the back of course we're

1561
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:05,390
even um you know who

1562
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,280
um uh there's a lot of serious guys on

1563
01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:10,080
the show but you know who I think is the

1564
01:15:14,050 --> 01:15:11,820
most serious dude that kind of scares

1565
01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:14,060
the crap out of me

1566
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,340
fugle's brother the pilot oh Cameron

1567
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,159
yeah yeah yeah Cameron he's a serious

1568
01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:23,520
cat he is I did a serious cat

1569
01:15:27,470 --> 01:15:25,739
every time he's in that helicopter man

1570
01:15:31,490 --> 01:15:27,480
every

1571
01:15:34,610 --> 01:15:31,500
right and and uh that's a nice

1572
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:34,620
helicopter right and and he's a very

1573
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:37,860
serious professional pilot and he's up

1574
01:15:43,550 --> 01:15:41,219
there and his GPS is going haywire he's

1575
01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:43,560
got uaps flying underneath him he's got

1576
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:46,739
stuff coming out his altitude is out of

1577
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,980
whack and and when you're a serious

1578
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,320
pilot and a serious guy like he is

1579
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:54,540
that's the stuff that you don't need in

1580
01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:57,179
your world you know you're a helicopter

1581
01:16:02,810 --> 01:16:00,600
pilot and he I'm I'm always trying to

1582
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:02,820
get a read on him

1583
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:07,260
um I I I'm not so sure no I think he's

1584
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:10,560
I think he's bought in now I think he's

1585
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:13,320
buying what everybody's selling but I

1586
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:15,239
don't think he came into this uh playing

1587
01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:17,820
that game at all and it took a minute

1588
01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:20,580
for him uh to understand that there's

1589
01:16:25,490 --> 01:16:22,980
strange stuff going on but you can't

1590
01:16:27,470 --> 01:16:25,500
have strange stuff when you're flying at

1591
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,480
five thousand feet in a helicopter yeah

1592
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,239
whatever that's this is great that is

1593
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,699
probably the perfect example I mean yeah

1594
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,920
a lot of third-party people have had

1595
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,020
this happen to him but yeah the camera

1596
01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:39,120
is kind of the elephant in the room who

1597
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:41,460
is a licensed professional pilot

1598
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:43,980
I mean he had he's responsible for the

1599
01:16:48,410 --> 01:16:46,679
souls on board right and if anything

1600
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:48,420
goes wacky

1601
01:16:52,850 --> 01:16:50,520
he goes into

1602
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:52,860
to your point so he's by the way he's

1603
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:55,080
the nicest coolest guy

1604
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:58,320
but yeah when it's time to fly

1605
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,860
Cameron's got a game face and he keeps

1606
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:03,600
everybody safe

1607
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,000
there are procedures there are processes

1608
01:17:13,490 --> 01:17:09,060
there are checklists all of that happens

1609
01:17:15,169 --> 01:17:13,500
and you know talking about my ass I was

1610
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:15,179
strapped to the helicopter you know

1611
01:17:21,890 --> 01:17:17,699
shooting lidar out with my hand

1612
01:17:23,630 --> 01:17:21,900
and you know so who am I grateful that

1613
01:17:27,050 --> 01:17:23,640
that guy's a great stick

1614
01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:27,060
a great pilot yeah right I am and that

1615
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,120
he's bomb I mean when we were doing that

1616
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:32,239
experiment we were doing the lidar and

1617
01:17:37,130 --> 01:17:34,739
Travis and I and

1618
01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,140
all that weird stuff happened

1619
01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:39,659
he's like he put it down out in the

1620
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:42,420
field out in the grass he's like it's

1621
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,260
Landing yeah yeah let's go back and talk

1622
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:48,719
about that episode

1623
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:51,840
um what what was the experiment what

1624
01:17:58,270 --> 01:17:54,900
were you trying to achieve

1625
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:58,280
well uh anomalies

1626
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:01,920
above the triangle and in the area of

1627
01:18:07,370 --> 01:18:03,120
the Mesa

1628
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:07,380
and the idea was look legally I can only

1629
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:10,800
fly a drone to 400 feet that's FAA

1630
01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:12,719
regulation

1631
01:18:19,130 --> 01:18:15,300
well previous experience with rocketry

1632
01:18:20,689 --> 01:18:19,140
and whatnot had shown that and uaps

1633
01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:20,699
following the helicopter around it

1634
01:18:23,630 --> 01:18:22,920
happened at a much higher altitude than

1635
01:18:26,090 --> 01:18:23,640
that

1636
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:26,100
so I raised my hand and said look you

1637
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:27,659
know I'm a veteran I was in the Army

1638
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:29,880
I've hung out of the helicopters before

1639
01:18:35,930 --> 01:18:33,000
you know strap me in it I'll be safe and

1640
01:18:38,030 --> 01:18:35,940
let's get lidar my portable lidar unit

1641
01:18:39,649 --> 01:18:38,040
and scan out the door and see if we get

1642
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:39,659
any returns

1643
01:18:45,550 --> 01:18:43,260
and if we do that will change

1644
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:45,560
history right

1645
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:51,179
so that was the experiment and um

1646
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:53,400
gosh we weren't in the air

1647
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:55,380
they weren't in the air it seemed like

1648
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,960
five minutes to me and you know we're on

1649
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:00,239
comms but I'm hanging out in the rotor

1650
01:19:04,850 --> 01:19:03,179
watch it's loud and the wind's blowing

1651
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:04,860
and you know I'm trying not to kill

1652
01:19:10,189 --> 01:19:07,500
myself but Travis

1653
01:19:11,530 --> 01:19:10,199
who lights up in the calms and my ears

1654
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:11,540
goes

1655
01:19:16,610 --> 01:19:14,760
we're getting something right now right

1656
01:19:19,010 --> 01:19:16,620
out the door

1657
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:19,020
and I can't tell you what I said it was

1658
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:21,719
bleeped out of the shell and would be

1659
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:25,080
bleeped out of here but I couldn't

1660
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:27,179
it's not possible because I'm looking

1661
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:30,540
out the door and I can't see anything

1662
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:33,000
and the laser is getting returns

1663
01:19:38,689 --> 01:19:36,360
at that he's seeing in real time on the

1664
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:38,699
tablet

1665
01:19:49,130 --> 01:19:44,280
that was nuts I mean completely nuts so

1666
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:49,140
wow get on the ground let's land

1667
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:52,980
you know my mind is blown Travis we're

1668
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,780
both kind of like

1669
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:56,580
what

1670
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:01,679
the coolest thing about the show by the

1671
01:20:07,130 --> 01:20:03,960
way forgive the rabbit hole but it's

1672
01:20:09,770 --> 01:20:07,140
live there is no script many people have

1673
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:09,780
said this before I am

1674
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:12,900
telling you it's the absolute truth the

1675
01:20:16,630 --> 01:20:14,580
camera's a role they don't tell us what

1676
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,640
to say they don't tell us what to do

1677
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,440
there's an experiment in mind and we go

1678
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:22,080
execute so what you see is what happens

1679
01:20:29,330 --> 01:20:26,640
and that one was completely nuts

1680
01:20:31,310 --> 01:20:29,340
completely unexpected and I was like

1681
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:31,320
let's get on the ground we have to go

1682
01:20:38,330 --> 01:20:34,620
post process the data I have to see this

1683
01:20:40,729 --> 01:20:38,340
you know and I I I I I I was I was

1684
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:40,739
freaking out when we landed you know we

1685
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:43,140
we got back on the alibabad

1686
01:20:51,649 --> 01:20:47,580
and I because Travis is excited this is

1687
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:51,659
the double PhD physicist you know and he

1688
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:53,820
saw the data and he showed me the tablet

1689
01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:57,960
of them that's nuts wow that shouldn't

1690
01:21:02,090 --> 01:21:00,360
be there because I can't see any

1691
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:02,100
physical thing out there

1692
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,420
so

1693
01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:05,760
he's got me all lathered up and I can

1694
01:21:09,410 --> 01:21:06,980
remember

1695
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:09,420
there's a picture I put out on social

1696
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:12,060
media when we landed I looked at Brandon

1697
01:21:17,209 --> 01:21:14,580
I said can we have a photo

1698
01:21:19,370 --> 01:21:17,219
you know just in case the world just

1699
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:19,380
changed can we have a photo I'm not

1700
01:21:24,130 --> 01:21:22,679
saying it did but just in case this

1701
01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:24,140
leads to something

1702
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:27,239
earth-shattering Earth changing

1703
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:29,040
so we took this photo in front of the

1704
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,260
helicopter and you know let's hear our

1705
01:21:36,770 --> 01:21:33,120
anyway

1706
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,780
that was uh

1707
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:38,159
uh pretty wild

1708
01:21:45,350 --> 01:21:41,880
when when I saw that

1709
01:21:48,290 --> 01:21:45,360
um happen now look I'm okay with the

1710
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,300
woo-woo Pete okay all right I've seen

1711
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:50,880
enough woo now and experienced it that

1712
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:54,300
I'm okay I believe in fairies right now

1713
01:22:01,450 --> 01:21:57,900
so uh that being said

1714
01:22:05,630 --> 01:22:01,460
um uh you know look behind me I I I I I

1715
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:05,640
I'm a pretty grounded person and I'm

1716
01:22:10,729 --> 01:22:08,760
pretty smart and a pretty tough

1717
01:22:13,729 --> 01:22:10,739
but I do believe in fairies and I

1718
01:22:16,430 --> 01:22:13,739
believe in the woo right okay that being

1719
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:16,440
said when that happened you know what I

1720
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:17,640
thought

1721
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:23,040
I it reminded me of uh the TV series The

1722
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:24,840
Dome

1723
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:29,520
right that there is some some force

1724
01:22:35,950 --> 01:22:31,800
field and I don't want to go there you

1725
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:35,960
know it it it's too crazy it's two nuts

1726
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:39,600
but to get a laser to bounce off of

1727
01:22:48,169 --> 01:22:42,560
something that you can't see

1728
01:22:51,130 --> 01:22:48,179
that's suggest what uh a force field a

1729
01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:51,140
barrier something that is covering

1730
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,340
uh skin walker Ranch and

1731
01:22:59,570 --> 01:22:57,900
that would be pretty earth-shattering I

1732
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,580
I agree but that's what I thought of

1733
01:23:03,649 --> 01:23:01,440
that you were hitting something

1734
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:03,659
invisible is that what popped into your

1735
01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:06,960
head yeah I I that's why I asked for a

1736
01:23:12,290 --> 01:23:09,560
photo looks like guys just in case

1737
01:23:16,450 --> 01:23:12,300
and then I I can remember thinking and

1738
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:16,460
this aired on a a previous episode

1739
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:19,020
Caleb's out at night with a green laser

1740
01:23:23,570 --> 01:23:21,540
and he's I wasn't there but I watched

1741
01:23:28,030 --> 01:23:23,580
the show and he shines the laser up into

1742
01:23:31,790 --> 01:23:28,040
the sky and the laser bends

1743
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:31,800
that but I didn't realize that until

1744
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:34,320
after you know the lidar experiment we

1745
01:23:41,390 --> 01:23:36,600
did in the helicopter

1746
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,010
um device

1747
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:46,080
and what can bend light to your question

1748
01:23:52,910 --> 01:23:48,719
I'll ask it back to you what in the

1749
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,920
world can bend life the sun gravity

1750
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:55,260
gravity is the only thing that I'm aware

1751
01:24:00,950 --> 01:23:59,219
of mass a lot of mass a lot of gas a lot

1752
01:24:04,669 --> 01:24:00,960
of mass

1753
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:04,679
um I have military grade I should even

1754
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,900
say this on the air

1755
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:09,000
um I have some I have some pretty cool

1756
01:24:12,890 --> 01:24:10,140
lasers

1757
01:24:15,709 --> 01:24:12,900
right okay I don't know if they could

1758
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:15,719
burn through a bank vault

1759
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:17,600
but probably

1760
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:20,880
and and I use them a lot

1761
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,480
um I've they've never bent

1762
01:24:28,910 --> 01:24:27,060
they've never been my strongest lasers I

1763
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,920
swear you could see it on the moon right

1764
01:24:32,689 --> 01:24:31,440
it's like that right they're really

1765
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:32,699
powerful

1766
01:24:37,850 --> 01:24:35,159
um but I've never seen them bend that

1767
01:24:41,630 --> 01:24:37,860
would freak me out I I that that's a

1768
01:24:44,950 --> 01:24:41,640
that's a tough one to explain yeah

1769
01:24:48,649 --> 01:24:44,960
but but if if I'm not making myself

1770
01:24:51,169 --> 01:24:48,659
entirely clear lidar is laser-based yes

1771
01:24:53,090 --> 01:24:51,179
yes yes and if lidar is if I'm getting

1772
01:24:57,229 --> 01:24:53,100
returns from something that's out there

1773
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:57,239
that I can't no one can physically see

1774
01:25:01,850 --> 01:24:59,640
you know then I flat then when I saw

1775
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,860
Caleb's thing with his green laser he

1776
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,560
shot into the sky I'm like hmm I wonder

1777
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:06,060
if that's related

1778
01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:09,060
uh I wonder if the area is related I

1779
01:25:16,130 --> 01:25:11,880
mean we were literally at the triangle

1780
01:25:18,770 --> 01:25:16,140
at the Mesa at altitude and there's

1781
01:25:20,510 --> 01:25:18,780
something in this guy that we can't see

1782
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,520
that the laser is getting returns from

1783
01:25:25,790 --> 01:25:22,679
yeah it's crazy so when you when you

1784
01:25:28,729 --> 01:25:25,800
land that's that's nuts so you go to

1785
01:25:32,149 --> 01:25:28,739
Travis you look at his data what did the

1786
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,159
data tell you how how far out was the

1787
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,920
invisible force field I don't know how

1788
01:25:38,990 --> 01:25:36,800
yeah

1789
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:39,000
oh god

1790
01:25:42,649 --> 01:25:39,900
um

1791
01:25:45,290 --> 01:25:42,659
I I don't remember I honestly I don't

1792
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:45,300
have distance I don't remember from the

1793
01:25:51,709 --> 01:25:48,480
helicopter it was

1794
01:25:54,770 --> 01:25:51,719
what I do remember is that of course we

1795
01:25:57,110 --> 01:25:54,780
do what we always do because I'm not the

1796
01:26:00,110 --> 01:25:57,120
only one who doesn't want to put any BS

1797
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:00,120
out there right right let's get on the

1798
01:26:04,430 --> 01:26:02,699
ground let's look at the data I mean and

1799
01:26:06,530 --> 01:26:04,440
we're really going to have to be serious

1800
01:26:11,090 --> 01:26:06,540
about this

1801
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:11,100
um because it's so strange and

1802
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:12,600
anyway

1803
01:26:17,450 --> 01:26:15,480
after the chase the

1804
01:26:19,129 --> 01:26:17,460
we got to talk to the vendor who I know

1805
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:19,139
well good friends of mine I've been

1806
01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:20,639
working with them for a couple years the

1807
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:22,620
folks who make the lottery on it

1808
01:26:33,770 --> 01:26:30,350
and you oh that's ghosting and I'll tell

1809
01:26:36,229 --> 01:26:33,780
you what ghosting is ghosting is

1810
01:26:38,930 --> 01:26:36,239
lidar hates motion

1811
01:26:40,970 --> 01:26:38,940
anything that moves in front of the

1812
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:40,980
scanner will ghost

1813
01:26:46,129 --> 01:26:44,100
like a person walking through my skin

1814
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:46,139
car driving through my scan whatever

1815
01:26:52,250 --> 01:26:49,679
it'll it'll ghost because it's at the

1816
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:52,260
moment in speed of light Elijah gets a

1817
01:26:56,270 --> 01:26:54,420
return from a thing then it shoots again

1818
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:56,280
then it shoots again so you get this

1819
01:27:03,410 --> 01:26:59,120
ghosting of this thing

1820
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,420
and their only explanation was oh it's

1821
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:05,760
ghosting it's the rotor blades from the

1822
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,260
helicopter it's

1823
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:09,840
it's Pete's big feet out on the skin of

1824
01:27:16,129 --> 01:27:13,440
the helicopter and Travis was like that

1825
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:16,139
that doesn't work man that that the

1826
01:27:22,430 --> 01:27:18,900
geometry is wrong we would see a rotor

1827
01:27:24,649 --> 01:27:22,440
blade we would see Beach big feet

1828
01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:24,659
um so it was

1829
01:27:30,169 --> 01:27:26,460
was

1830
01:27:33,050 --> 01:27:30,179
oh gosh I can I can just remember being

1831
01:27:35,149 --> 01:27:33,060
so upset because

1832
01:27:36,890 --> 01:27:35,159
you know talking with Brandon and just

1833
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:36,900
saying man

1834
01:27:45,050 --> 01:27:39,360
I I was hoping

1835
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:45,060
get your acceptance speech ready for

1836
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:46,920
Stockholm right right right right right

1837
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,800
no it wasn't it was inconclusive at the

1838
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:51,719
end of the day did you have a chance to

1839
01:27:56,270 --> 01:27:53,580
go back up in the helicopter and try to

1840
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:58,370
um

1841
01:28:04,010 --> 01:28:01,440
in the same place

1842
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:04,020
yeah we did more than one flight

1843
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,440
we did more than one flight in both

1844
01:28:13,209 --> 01:28:09,840
areas so we did where we always go

1845
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,219
triangle Mesa and the East field right

1846
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:16,800
and uh by the way these field was nuts

1847
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:21,649
it was like somebody didn't want us

1848
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:23,520
there and I I don't know how else to say

1849
01:28:27,950 --> 01:28:25,679
it it was like somebody grabbed a

1850
01:28:29,629 --> 01:28:27,960
helicopter went nope not over there you

1851
01:28:32,990 --> 01:28:29,639
stay over here

1852
01:28:35,149 --> 01:28:33,000
and you know we're all

1853
01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:35,159
I think this was live on the episode too

1854
01:28:40,370 --> 01:28:38,340
we're all like whoa you know like when

1855
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,380
you jump and turbulence on any flight

1856
01:28:44,570 --> 01:28:42,960
but this was like nope

1857
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:44,580
you can't go there you're going and

1858
01:28:50,330 --> 01:28:46,020
Cameron

1859
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:50,340
cool cool customer that he is our pilot

1860
01:28:54,410 --> 01:28:52,739
you know he's I can remember I can

1861
01:28:58,669 --> 01:28:54,420
remember him and the comms just going

1862
01:29:05,169 --> 01:29:01,790
from your pilot no you don't want that

1863
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,550
did you feel

1864
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,560
um did you ever did you get the feeling

1865
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,380
that you were being watched

1866
01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:15,360
oh

1867
01:29:20,750 --> 01:29:18,780
okay so this is this is as far into what

1868
01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:20,760
did you use what was your term into the

1869
01:29:27,229 --> 01:29:25,560
woo-woo yeah let's go full woo let's go

1870
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,239
so

1871
01:29:32,390 --> 01:29:29,760
again a conversation you know offline

1872
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,400
just chatting at some point with Brandon

1873
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:34,500
and I actually think Brandon put this

1874
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,040
idea in my head so

1875
01:29:42,649 --> 01:29:40,080
but it just

1876
01:29:44,169 --> 01:29:42,659
either he said it or I said it it just

1877
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:44,179
felt like

1878
01:29:48,830 --> 01:29:46,440
the story The Narrative one something

1879
01:29:50,689 --> 01:29:48,840
like well then it just feels sometimes

1880
01:29:53,209 --> 01:29:50,699
like there's a couple of blokes

1881
01:29:54,590 --> 01:29:53,219
somewhere in another dimension pulling

1882
01:29:57,410 --> 01:29:54,600
the strings

1883
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:57,420
and laughing their asses off at us it's

1884
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,400
like watch this I'm gonna make Travis

1885
01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:01,920
squeal or you know or I'm I'm gonna make

1886
01:30:06,590 --> 01:30:04,440
Kelsey freak out and make his lidar

1887
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,600
misbehave and you know just somebody

1888
01:30:11,330 --> 01:30:09,360
just messing with us right

1889
01:30:13,790 --> 01:30:11,340
like you know

1890
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:13,800
the old ants under a magnifying glass

1891
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,280
when we were kids kind of thing and I

1892
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:19,440
can remember that conversation and just

1893
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:22,320
thinking you know that actually

1894
01:30:28,490 --> 01:30:24,120
there's something about that that feels

1895
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:31,970
the that's got to be a weird feeling and

1896
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:34,139
you know it when it happens

1897
01:30:39,410 --> 01:30:37,260
you know when uh we've all had that

1898
01:30:41,149 --> 01:30:39,420
feeling you're in a crowded room or

1899
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,159
you're in a public space

1900
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,960
and you feel like you're being looked at

1901
01:30:47,570 --> 01:30:44,639
and you look and somebody's looking at

1902
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:47,580
you can tell right when when you're

1903
01:30:52,790 --> 01:30:49,500
being looked at it's just it's it's

1904
01:30:55,010 --> 01:30:52,800
built into our DNA and then but but

1905
01:30:57,649 --> 01:30:55,020
there's the other aspect with skin

1906
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:57,659
walker that I I find a little bit

1907
01:31:01,729 --> 01:30:59,340
troubling

1908
01:31:03,709 --> 01:31:01,739
um and apparently so does the Utah State

1909
01:31:06,649 --> 01:31:03,719
Attorney General right who's been

1910
01:31:11,169 --> 01:31:06,659
watching this stuff too as well

1911
01:31:16,450 --> 01:31:11,179
um uh there's there seems to be

1912
01:31:21,410 --> 01:31:16,460
uh aircraft interested in Skinwalker

1913
01:31:25,250 --> 01:31:21,420
ranchers private jets circling

1914
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:25,260
um maybe some of this is uh drones

1915
01:31:29,209 --> 01:31:27,540
um uh not of yours you know something

1916
01:31:31,129 --> 01:31:29,219
but

1917
01:31:34,850 --> 01:31:31,139
um somebody else is interested in

1918
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,860
Skinwalker Ranch aren't they oh yeah oh

1919
01:31:38,990 --> 01:31:36,239
yeah there's no there's no doubt about

1920
01:31:39,950 --> 01:31:39,000
that and

1921
01:31:41,930 --> 01:31:39,960
um

1922
01:31:44,209 --> 01:31:41,940
two thoughts there

1923
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:44,219
um one

1924
01:31:49,970 --> 01:31:47,280
there are these because because I'm I

1925
01:31:51,410 --> 01:31:49,980
have to have an FAA certification to fly

1926
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:51,420
my gear

1927
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:54,080
I'm aware of these things called nodums

1928
01:31:58,189 --> 01:31:57,060
n-o-t-a-m-s that stands for notice to

1929
01:32:04,209 --> 01:31:58,199
Airman

1930
01:32:06,649 --> 01:32:04,219
and these nodems uh Brandon Cameron

1931
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:06,659
whenever you want to shoot rockets at

1932
01:32:11,870 --> 01:32:08,520
the ranch more than a certain altitude

1933
01:32:14,810 --> 01:32:11,880
you have to file a nodem with the FAA

1934
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:14,820
okay there will be Rockets from this

1935
01:32:19,610 --> 01:32:16,920
time at night to this time at night

1936
01:32:22,850 --> 01:32:19,620
going to this altitude at this lat long

1937
01:32:24,110 --> 01:32:22,860
blah blah blah and those are public

1938
01:32:26,810 --> 01:32:24,120
okay

1939
01:32:29,149 --> 01:32:26,820
so in terms of I guess this is sort of

1940
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:29,159
like a weight of forensically really

1941
01:32:31,070 --> 01:32:30,010
look into

1942
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:31,080
[Music]

1943
01:32:35,890 --> 01:32:34,320
one way to investigate who's flying

1944
01:32:39,649 --> 01:32:35,900
around out there

1945
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,659
would be no terms are public

1946
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:41,600
so

1947
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:44,880
anybody who was interested in skinwater

1948
01:32:51,890 --> 01:32:48,300
ranch anyone or anything

1949
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,900
could set up you know send me an email

1950
01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:54,480
every time there's a notem in and around

1951
01:33:01,370 --> 01:32:58,980
Vernal Utah Roosevelt Utah the ranch

1952
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:01,380
and then you'll know that something

1953
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:03,300
interesting is going to be going on

1954
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:07,800
there right and you could be ready with

1955
01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:09,440
your gear

1956
01:33:17,510 --> 01:33:13,320
to pay attention to surveil to whatever

1957
01:33:19,129 --> 01:33:17,520
so that's one thought for a Savvy and

1958
01:33:22,550 --> 01:33:19,139
that's whether it's you know the

1959
01:33:23,390 --> 01:33:22,560
government or whatever

1960
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:23,400
um

1961
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:25,920
so yeah somebody is paying attention

1962
01:33:30,890 --> 01:33:28,800
this spooky thing

1963
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:30,900
well spooky

1964
01:33:37,310 --> 01:33:33,780
the thing that worries me as a certified

1965
01:33:40,030 --> 01:33:37,320
pilot is that they're not transplanting

1966
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:40,040
on the adsb right or every commercial

1967
01:33:45,530 --> 01:33:43,260
aircraft has to transpond where they are

1968
01:33:48,490 --> 01:33:45,540
in the airspace so they don't hit

1969
01:33:51,950 --> 01:33:48,500
another aircraft

1970
01:33:54,770 --> 01:33:51,960
and this aircraft especially you know in

1971
01:33:57,290 --> 01:33:54,780
that episode is not transponding and

1972
01:34:00,050 --> 01:33:57,300
that's happened more than once

1973
01:34:03,110 --> 01:34:00,060
who who could get away with not

1974
01:34:04,669 --> 01:34:03,120
transponding on the adsb

1975
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:04,679
well that's

1976
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:08,100
that's either the dod or the IC partner

1977
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,840
defense or the intelligent Community

1978
01:34:16,189 --> 01:34:12,120
period no one else could get away with

1979
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,950
um so yeah is somebody paying attention

1980
01:34:21,229 --> 01:34:20,400
yeah

1981
01:34:24,709 --> 01:34:21,239
um

1982
01:34:26,450 --> 01:34:24,719
and even the Utah I AG you know you know

1983
01:34:28,370 --> 01:34:26,460
who's flying in my airspace that great

1984
01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:28,380
line he said

1985
01:34:31,070 --> 01:34:29,100
um

1986
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,080
you know no information will be

1987
01:34:35,149 --> 01:34:32,719
forthcoming

1988
01:34:36,590 --> 01:34:35,159
okay okay

1989
01:34:38,030 --> 01:34:36,600
well it's common knowledge the

1990
01:34:40,669 --> 01:34:38,040
government has been interested in the

1991
01:34:43,310 --> 01:34:40,679
property for some time

1992
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:43,320
sure seems to me like they still are

1993
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:44,900
well

1994
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:47,040
there are

1995
01:34:52,610 --> 01:34:49,679
um we're going to move on from from this

1996
01:34:54,470 --> 01:34:52,620
subject but you can go to flight tracker

1997
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:54,480
you can go to FlightAware there's all

1998
01:34:59,149 --> 01:34:57,060
kinds of software out there websites

1999
01:35:01,850 --> 01:34:59,159
where you can go and look at all of the

2000
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:01,860
air traffic period that includes

2001
01:35:09,649 --> 01:35:05,940
military stuff you can watch it it's all

2002
01:35:12,290 --> 01:35:09,659
there everything period right and and

2003
01:35:14,330 --> 01:35:12,300
and you turn around and you've got uh a

2004
01:35:16,669 --> 01:35:14,340
black helicopter above your property and

2005
01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:16,679
it's not transponding

2006
01:35:22,129 --> 01:35:19,320
um and you can tell back in the command

2007
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:22,139
center right they've got flight tracker

2008
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:23,880
right there man it's not one of the big

2009
01:35:28,850 --> 01:35:27,000
screens like 24 7 right it's always

2010
01:35:30,890 --> 01:35:28,860
right there and to have something not

2011
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:30,900
transponding

2012
01:35:38,510 --> 01:35:34,440
um that's that's bizarre uh to me and

2013
01:35:41,090 --> 01:35:38,520
and who who it's it's not safe to turn

2014
01:35:43,850 --> 01:35:41,100
off your transponder no it's not that

2015
01:35:46,250 --> 01:35:43,860
that means you you are not seen by by

2016
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:46,260
another aircraft and you could have a

2017
01:35:50,570 --> 01:35:48,780
mid-air Collision yeah you could have a

2018
01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:50,580
mid-air collision with your transponders

2019
01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:52,340
on right

2020
01:35:57,169 --> 01:35:55,020
but you would at least know who you were

2021
01:36:00,010 --> 01:35:57,179
hitting you would see you understand

2022
01:36:04,430 --> 01:36:00,020
what I'm saying that's of course

2023
01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:04,440
when when the when the AG of of Utah who

2024
01:36:09,169 --> 01:36:07,560
I'm more than one occasion sees evidence

2025
01:36:11,629 --> 01:36:09,179
of this

2026
01:36:16,250 --> 01:36:11,639
um he was he was angry and he should be

2027
01:36:18,649 --> 01:36:16,260
right you know that's he's in control of

2028
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:18,659
the laws of his state right and and

2029
01:36:23,510 --> 01:36:20,880
that's that's what he's representing and

2030
01:36:26,209 --> 01:36:23,520
something like that civil aviation the

2031
01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:26,219
the basics of the basics being violated

2032
01:36:31,850 --> 01:36:28,860
like that to turn off a transponder

2033
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:31,860
willy-nilly no no you can't do that and

2034
01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:34,560
it's illegal so who would be doing it

2035
01:36:40,490 --> 01:36:38,280
and why over Skinwalker yeah when when

2036
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:40,500
it's there's a notem in place saying

2037
01:36:44,689 --> 01:36:42,719
we're going to be launching Rockets who

2038
01:36:46,490 --> 01:36:44,699
in their right mind would fly into that

2039
01:36:48,070 --> 01:36:46,500
airspace when there's Rockets flying

2040
01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:48,080
around

2041
01:36:54,709 --> 01:36:51,900
I I call them fireworks but you can call

2042
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:54,719
them Rockets if you want that's the

2043
01:37:01,370 --> 01:36:57,840
so I I crack a lot of the jokes about

2044
01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,380
that but um it's so funny when you know

2045
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:03,360
they uh what's the word that they oh

2046
01:37:08,270 --> 01:37:06,480
mortars right like dude it's fireworks

2047
01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:08,280
just call it fireworks it looks like

2048
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:09,540
they're having a lot of fun out there

2049
01:37:16,030 --> 01:37:14,100
but um now here's here's where I I kind

2050
01:37:18,410 --> 01:37:16,040
of want to wrap up

2051
01:37:21,709 --> 01:37:18,420
the indigenous

2052
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:21,719
uh uh population

2053
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:24,480
um not only in in that part of Utah but

2054
01:37:33,649 --> 01:37:26,699
across the country

2055
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:33,659
um has their uh has their history and

2056
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:36,120
um and when you get into the spiritual

2057
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:38,880
side of their history I find it very

2058
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:41,699
very very interesting

2059
01:37:48,050 --> 01:37:45,840
um they don't not all but but they don't

2060
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:48,060
have issues with

2061
01:37:52,450 --> 01:37:49,560
contact

2062
01:37:57,050 --> 01:37:52,460
they don't they they don't

2063
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:57,060
and when it comes to Skinwalker and the

2064
01:38:03,530 --> 01:37:59,280
reason why it's called skin walker to

2065
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:03,540
begin with now we are going full right

2066
01:38:09,649 --> 01:38:06,780
now you know and what does skin walker

2067
01:38:11,450 --> 01:38:09,659
is and and I've talked to people that

2068
01:38:13,370 --> 01:38:11,460
live in the area that have seen some

2069
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:13,380
strange things uh I didn't want to get

2070
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:16,199
into that tonight but that's the history

2071
01:38:22,010 --> 01:38:19,620
of Skinwalker right the very and it

2072
01:38:25,729 --> 01:38:22,020
appears that this has been going on for

2073
01:38:28,189 --> 01:38:25,739
a very very long time yep right now

2074
01:38:32,810 --> 01:38:28,199
scientifically we're looking into this

2075
01:38:35,450 --> 01:38:32,820
but this is not anything strange to the

2076
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:35,460
people in the culture of of of that

2077
01:38:41,390 --> 01:38:38,880
Basin in Utah is it yeah no and it's a

2078
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:41,400
great point and it's

2079
01:38:44,510 --> 01:38:42,060
um

2080
01:38:46,729 --> 01:38:44,520
I too find that

2081
01:38:48,649 --> 01:38:46,739
really compelling and something that

2082
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:48,659
should be taken

2083
01:38:53,930 --> 01:38:52,320
very seriously and it is I mean I'm I

2084
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:53,940
don't mean to suggest that it's not

2085
01:38:58,669 --> 01:38:56,400
being it it absolutely is

2086
01:39:02,750 --> 01:38:58,679
um and to pay

2087
01:39:04,910 --> 01:39:02,760
to pay really close attention to that

2088
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:04,920
historical narrative that has been

2089
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:07,980
around for millennia

2090
01:39:13,010 --> 01:39:09,620
and

2091
01:39:16,930 --> 01:39:13,020
what's really interesting is there's

2092
01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:16,940
more than a few

2093
01:39:26,209 --> 01:39:21,960
petroglyphs I mean physical evidence of

2094
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:26,219
you know that that presence I mean these

2095
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:28,380
folks have been there a whole lot longer

2096
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:31,080
than the rest of us have

2097
01:39:34,669 --> 01:39:33,300
um and so no one knows the real estate

2098
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:34,679
better

2099
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:41,280
etc etc

2100
01:39:45,290 --> 01:39:42,960
and in terms of the physical evidence

2101
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:45,300
some of that some of the petroglyphs are

2102
01:39:51,530 --> 01:39:47,760
really something I mean

2103
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:51,540
it was my privilege to you know I got to

2104
01:39:55,129 --> 01:39:52,800
bring a

2105
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:55,139
terrestrial laser scanner up to one of I

2106
01:39:59,570 --> 01:39:56,580
think it was last winter it was off

2107
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,580
season just by the way the research goes

2108
01:40:03,110 --> 01:40:00,960
all all the time

2109
01:40:05,570 --> 01:40:03,120
it is not dependent on the television

2110
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,580
series at all

2111
01:40:10,370 --> 01:40:08,159
so

2112
01:40:13,070 --> 01:40:10,380
um I went up I was helping to document

2113
01:40:15,709 --> 01:40:13,080
this series of petroglyphs and they were

2114
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:15,719
just spectacular right

2115
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,280
and in just the right place right I mean

2116
01:40:25,490 --> 01:40:21,840
however old they are

2117
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:25,500
somebody clearly had something to say

2118
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:28,800
and just like I described I'd describe

2119
01:40:32,209 --> 01:40:30,719
them as sort of the Billboards of the

2120
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:32,219
day right

2121
01:40:38,870 --> 01:40:35,400
location location you want

2122
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:38,880
the perfect Rock that's you know at

2123
01:40:43,850 --> 01:40:41,400
elevation that the Sun hits just right

2124
01:40:45,229 --> 01:40:43,860
so that anybody coming by is going to go

2125
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:45,239
wow

2126
01:40:50,930 --> 01:40:47,219
well you know what is that

2127
01:40:53,570 --> 01:40:50,940
somebody has something to say and

2128
01:40:56,209 --> 01:40:53,580
beyond that you know it's just purely

2129
01:40:58,729 --> 01:40:56,219
purely speculative to me but what was

2130
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:58,739
fun for me having done petroglyphs

2131
01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:01,760
before is the laser can really

2132
01:41:08,450 --> 01:41:05,219
exaggerate the depth the depth the third

2133
01:41:10,370 --> 01:41:08,460
dimension to really bring out what you

2134
01:41:11,709 --> 01:41:10,380
can't physically see when you're there

2135
01:41:14,810 --> 01:41:11,719
on site

2136
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:14,820
so and some of that stuff is just

2137
01:41:21,169 --> 01:41:19,020
spectacular and to be able to go to the

2138
01:41:24,430 --> 01:41:21,179
local folks the the youth in this in

2139
01:41:30,010 --> 01:41:27,950
you know what do you know about this

2140
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:30,020
um

2141
01:41:36,770 --> 01:41:33,600
what do they say I want to

2142
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:36,780
um uh I went to one of the largest uh

2143
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:39,600
Petroglyph sites in this hemisphere

2144
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:43,199
right in in North America it's uh

2145
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:46,500
on the uh California Arizona border

2146
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,360
right so I go and there's like I think

2147
01:41:55,609 --> 01:41:51,360
there's 750 petroglyphs in this little

2148
01:41:57,290 --> 01:41:55,619
section of this it's it's insane to see

2149
01:42:00,050 --> 01:41:57,300
now

2150
01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:00,060
um but here's the trippy thing the

2151
01:42:04,609 --> 01:42:02,460
Mojave Indians this is called the Mojave

2152
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:04,619
Desert because of the Mojave Indians

2153
01:42:10,189 --> 01:42:07,560
right the Mojave Indians that have been

2154
01:42:11,629 --> 01:42:10,199
here for about 2 000 years

2155
01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:11,639
say

2156
01:42:16,370 --> 01:42:13,980
we didn't do those

2157
01:42:20,570 --> 01:42:16,380
we don't know who did those petroglyphs

2158
01:42:23,450 --> 01:42:20,580
right I love that right right so uh but

2159
01:42:27,370 --> 01:42:23,460
here's the crazy thing Pete

2160
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:27,380
um I I can't read right I don't I'm not

2161
01:42:35,149 --> 01:42:31,739
I'm especially not that kind of linguist

2162
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:35,159
um I only speak 80s Sunset Boulevard I I

2163
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,840
can speak metal speak I can do that

2164
01:42:41,149 --> 01:42:38,639
really well but

2165
01:42:43,250 --> 01:42:41,159
um so but when you're standing in these

2166
01:42:44,090 --> 01:42:43,260
petroglyphs like you and this is the

2167
01:42:46,189 --> 01:42:44,100
question

2168
01:42:50,510 --> 01:42:46,199
you can tell

2169
01:42:52,609 --> 01:42:50,520
that there is a story oh yeah you can

2170
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:52,619
see it you can see it there is a star

2171
01:42:58,910 --> 01:42:56,400
there is a complete story here

2172
01:43:01,790 --> 01:42:58,920
I just don't know what it is I don't

2173
01:43:04,250 --> 01:43:01,800
know if it's an origin story uh there's

2174
01:43:09,550 --> 01:43:04,260
some crazy things that look like this

2175
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:09,560
and I I see mitochondria I see DNA yeah

2176
01:43:16,010 --> 01:43:13,260
yeah space and I see the I see this

2177
01:43:18,350 --> 01:43:16,020
weird I I everything's moving in like in

2178
01:43:20,330 --> 01:43:18,360
a direction you can kind of you know you

2179
01:43:21,830 --> 01:43:20,340
could see but you just don't know what

2180
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:21,840
it says

2181
01:43:26,990 --> 01:43:24,840
and the Mojave don't have any answers

2182
01:43:29,629 --> 01:43:27,000
for this particular site

2183
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,639
for you looking at these petroglyphs

2184
01:43:34,129 --> 01:43:31,440
could you tell that there was a story

2185
01:43:36,770 --> 01:43:34,139
there that it was the you know what I

2186
01:43:40,010 --> 01:43:36,780
mean it's there it's in front of you but

2187
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:42,290
yes

2188
01:43:47,209 --> 01:43:44,460
um there's a story I don't know what it

2189
01:43:51,729 --> 01:43:47,219
is but to see

2190
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:51,739
you know to see figure I mean clearly

2191
01:44:02,209 --> 01:43:59,040
human like humanoid legs hands but

2192
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:02,219
hands with six fingers yeah yeah yeah

2193
01:44:06,109 --> 01:44:05,400
yeah so that was cool

2194
01:44:08,950 --> 01:44:06,119
um

2195
01:44:11,689 --> 01:44:08,960
you know headdresses and you know

2196
01:44:13,010 --> 01:44:11,699
exaggerated features

2197
01:44:20,510 --> 01:44:13,020
I

2198
01:44:22,189 --> 01:44:20,520
mute in this case and

2199
01:44:25,370 --> 01:44:22,199
would

2200
01:44:29,149 --> 01:44:25,380
desperately love to have you know the

2201
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:29,159
right folks interpret that in some way

2202
01:44:33,890 --> 01:44:31,800
um because that's a story I would love

2203
01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:33,900
to hear right

2204
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:34,500
um

2205
01:44:39,229 --> 01:44:37,199
because because again of the proximity

2206
01:44:40,850 --> 01:44:39,239
because this is

2207
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:40,860
it's

2208
01:44:47,149 --> 01:44:43,500
in Walker Ranch

2209
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:47,159
and this art this art that somebody

2210
01:44:51,169 --> 01:44:49,199
spent a lot of time and effort creating

2211
01:44:53,090 --> 01:44:51,179
is there

2212
01:44:56,570 --> 01:44:53,100
and you know the historical narrative

2213
01:44:59,209 --> 01:44:56,580
being what it is you know how is there a

2214
01:45:02,270 --> 01:44:59,219
link between the historical narrative

2215
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:02,280
and what you see on the petroglyphs yeah

2216
01:45:07,910 --> 01:45:04,639
yeah there must be

2217
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,920
and the amount of effort right when you

2218
01:45:15,050 --> 01:45:09,360
need to

2219
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,060
and keeping your family alive overnight

2220
01:45:19,030 --> 01:45:17,760
right that's all you said that was life

2221
01:45:22,370 --> 01:45:19,040
right

2222
01:45:23,770 --> 01:45:22,380
and and to take time out where you're

2223
01:45:26,510 --> 01:45:23,780
going to

2224
01:45:29,629 --> 01:45:26,520
carve this

2225
01:45:32,270 --> 01:45:29,639
um and preserve what you have seen right

2226
01:45:35,810 --> 01:45:32,280
obviously you've seen something

2227
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:35,820
um and it was that important

2228
01:45:42,830 --> 01:45:39,600
right and putting your wife is going you

2229
01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:42,840
know are you gonna go and kill a gazelle

2230
01:45:47,090 --> 01:45:44,820
today or are you going to continue

2231
01:45:50,930 --> 01:45:47,100
carving this stuff on the cave wall

2232
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:50,940
right and it it was that important there

2233
01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:53,280
was this one

2234
01:45:58,209 --> 01:45:55,860
um Petroglyph now uh so we're in this

2235
01:46:02,930 --> 01:45:58,219
cave right we're in this cave

2236
01:46:06,290 --> 01:46:02,940
and uh the the the the K it was narrow

2237
01:46:08,930 --> 01:46:06,300
like a hallway but it went up like 30

2238
01:46:12,169 --> 01:46:08,940
feet this crevice uh to the roof of the

2239
01:46:14,270 --> 01:46:12,179
cave on the side up at the top

2240
01:46:17,330 --> 01:46:14,280
right up at the top

2241
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,340
probably 30 feet above my head

2242
01:46:23,450 --> 01:46:19,679
and it was pretty big I'm gonna say

2243
01:46:26,330 --> 01:46:23,460
three feet wide maybe three feet tall

2244
01:46:27,709 --> 01:46:26,340
in the middle of the desert okay this is

2245
01:46:31,609 --> 01:46:27,719
what it was

2246
01:46:35,149 --> 01:46:31,619
it was on the bottom was water

2247
01:46:36,590 --> 01:46:35,159
you can see the the waves right and then

2248
01:46:38,750 --> 01:46:36,600
there was a straight line underneath

2249
01:46:41,930 --> 01:46:38,760
that but there was water above that

2250
01:46:46,669 --> 01:46:41,940
standing on the water is a Stick Dude

2251
01:46:51,290 --> 01:46:46,679
right two legs torso round head with his

2252
01:46:55,790 --> 01:46:51,300
arms out like this with fingers right in

2253
01:46:57,950 --> 01:46:55,800
each hand holding out above this one was

2254
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:57,960
a cross

2255
01:47:04,310 --> 01:47:00,960
floating above his hand and this hand

2256
01:47:06,649 --> 01:47:04,320
over here a round ball

2257
01:47:10,970 --> 01:47:06,659
standing above the water what is that

2258
01:47:13,550 --> 01:47:10,980
right what what did he see

2259
01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:13,560
what what is it in the middle of the

2260
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,440
desert right that's obviously like an

2261
01:47:20,450 --> 01:47:19,199
ocean or a lake but what does that

2262
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:20,460
represent

2263
01:47:29,149 --> 01:47:24,960
I don't know and and who

2264
01:47:30,830 --> 01:47:29,159
who who's the audience right and if you

2265
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:30,840
go to your point you go to all that

2266
01:47:34,910 --> 01:47:33,239
effort risk life and limb because you're

2267
01:47:37,550 --> 01:47:34,920
not gonna have to we're scabbling and

2268
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:37,560
God knows what to get up there right

2269
01:47:41,629 --> 01:47:40,380
three years ago yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

2270
01:47:44,870 --> 01:47:41,639
yeah yeah

2271
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:44,880
yeah I looked at that I took pictures I

2272
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:48,239
shot video and I now and and some of the

2273
01:47:51,950 --> 01:47:50,340
petroglyphs I mean really interesting to

2274
01:47:55,629 --> 01:47:51,960
look at it doesn't matter if it's herds

2275
01:47:57,950 --> 01:47:55,639
of animals or stick figures spirals a

2276
01:48:00,169 --> 01:47:57,960
solar systems whatever you want to say

2277
01:48:05,689 --> 01:48:00,179
it is you know it it's fun to look at

2278
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:05,699
but that thing up I I just went huh

2279
01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:07,040
what what

2280
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:11,940
is that saying and I I you know I I can

2281
01:48:18,890 --> 01:48:13,980
only describe it to you like well like

2282
01:48:22,250 --> 01:48:18,900
it well across a plus sign not not a

2283
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:22,260
biblical cross like a plus sign in this

2284
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:23,280
hand

2285
01:48:28,669 --> 01:48:26,460
and it was big right the plus sign and

2286
01:48:31,570 --> 01:48:28,679
then the other hand was a round ball and

2287
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:31,580
he's holding it and he's like this

2288
01:48:38,750 --> 01:48:34,679
which I knew he's trying to tell us

2289
01:48:41,810 --> 01:48:38,760
something yeah yeah there's a cat head

2290
01:48:45,709 --> 01:48:41,820
something to say now what about

2291
01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:45,719
um much has been said uh back to the woo

2292
01:48:51,709 --> 01:48:47,880
um before we get out of here

2293
01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:51,719
um Skin Walkers ghost uh red eyes dogs

2294
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,860
without legs entities floating around uh

2295
01:49:00,350 --> 01:48:58,320
did you did you see did you see anything

2296
01:49:01,970 --> 01:49:00,360
or hear any strange stories when you're

2297
01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:01,980
at the ranch

2298
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:05,940
oh my gosh there's lots of stories

2299
01:49:10,490 --> 01:49:06,840
um

2300
01:49:13,729 --> 01:49:10,500
but the the first thing I think of and

2301
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:13,739
there's a photo out on social media that

2302
01:49:19,370 --> 01:49:17,760
I took I was out by myself

2303
01:49:22,250 --> 01:49:19,380
a couple years ago

2304
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:22,260
flying just doing mapping doing what I

2305
01:49:24,830 --> 01:49:23,040
do

2306
01:49:37,370 --> 01:49:24,840
and

2307
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,380
you know I I have my truck I get set up

2308
01:49:43,010 --> 01:49:40,080
I'm FL I've I do a flight

2309
01:49:47,330 --> 01:49:43,020
and I come back to my truck and there

2310
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,669
that

2311
01:49:54,649 --> 01:49:52,320
again I never soiled myself because I

2312
01:49:58,189 --> 01:49:54,659
was out there by myself

2313
01:49:59,810 --> 01:49:58,199
and the track I mean you don't get a

2314
01:50:01,090 --> 01:49:59,820
sense of scale here but it was clearly

2315
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:01,100
canine

2316
01:50:08,810 --> 01:50:05,760
a big big dog or wolf and I'm not making

2317
01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:08,820
this up this track was like

2318
01:50:14,750 --> 01:50:11,340
six seven inches across

2319
01:50:17,209 --> 01:50:14,760
and went right by my truck and was

2320
01:50:20,090 --> 01:50:17,219
clearly sort of poking around while I

2321
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:20,100
had my back to it with the flying the

2322
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:22,020
Drone up in the air

2323
01:50:26,750 --> 01:50:24,540
I I freaked

2324
01:50:27,609 --> 01:50:26,760
you know I'm I'm done for the day we're

2325
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,619
done

2326
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:29,280
and

2327
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:30,360
um

2328
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:31,739
I

2329
01:50:41,390 --> 01:50:39,300
security guy under the Bigelow and

2330
01:50:42,890 --> 01:50:41,400
he's like he's like where were you and

2331
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:42,900
I'm like right at the intersection of

2332
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:44,400
the road where you know it goes left

2333
01:50:49,370 --> 01:50:47,460
down to the triangle and he goes he he

2334
01:50:50,930 --> 01:50:49,380
starts rifling through you know all the

2335
01:50:54,890 --> 01:50:50,940
photos on his phone

2336
01:50:57,890 --> 01:50:54,900
and he shows me tracks in the exact same

2337
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:57,900
I mean within 20 feet

2338
01:51:04,910 --> 01:51:01,199
10 years before

2339
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:04,920
and he's like my dog's alerted and there

2340
01:51:11,209 --> 01:51:07,440
was something you know down in the canal

2341
01:51:12,609 --> 01:51:11,219
that was huge and pissed off and

2342
01:51:17,930 --> 01:51:12,619
growling

2343
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:17,940
just like breath I just came back

2344
01:51:23,030 --> 01:51:20,639
anyway anyway I've been going when I'm

2345
01:51:26,290 --> 01:51:23,040
when I'm out there alone I'm packing the

2346
01:51:28,729 --> 01:51:26,300
heat since that day

2347
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,739
now okay

2348
01:51:32,810 --> 01:51:30,800
um here's your opportunity

2349
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:32,820
what do you think

2350
01:51:36,609 --> 01:51:35,280
you know do you have you come to a

2351
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,619
conclusion

2352
01:51:44,090 --> 01:51:39,440
what could it have been

2353
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:44,100
uh because this is sounds like I don't

2354
01:51:46,910 --> 01:51:45,780
want to put words in your mouth I want

2355
01:51:49,609 --> 01:51:46,920
your opinion

2356
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:49,619
but now you've got a combination of the

2357
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:52,500
physical and the Paranormal right you

2358
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:56,100
have to have the physical side right The

2359
01:52:02,330 --> 01:51:57,900
Impressions have to be made

2360
01:52:04,370 --> 01:52:02,340
but then it's the Paranormal ah

2361
01:52:07,790 --> 01:52:04,380
it was a portal

2362
01:52:10,570 --> 01:52:07,800
it was important Sasquatch step through

2363
01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:10,580
the portal with a wolf

2364
01:52:17,629 --> 01:52:14,580
I mean so what do you do what what

2365
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:17,639
conclusions can you come to yeah how how

2366
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:19,679
come I didn't see it how come I didn't

2367
01:52:21,649 --> 01:52:20,880
hear it

2368
01:52:25,550 --> 01:52:21,659
um

2369
01:52:28,810 --> 01:52:25,560
because this thing was walked behind me

2370
01:52:33,590 --> 01:52:28,820
yeah I couldn't have been 20 yards away

2371
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:33,600
I mean I didn't smell it I had no idea

2372
01:52:39,950 --> 01:52:37,380
and it scared the bejesus out of me and

2373
01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:39,960
this this is crazy too I went back to

2374
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:42,119
the command center you know kind of

2375
01:52:48,830 --> 01:52:45,300
freaking out going uh you know big big

2376
01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:48,840
bear Big Bear and or something right

2377
01:52:55,450 --> 01:52:52,260
right Caleb Caleb being Caleb

2378
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:55,460
he lays like I'm going out there

2379
01:53:00,530 --> 01:52:58,560
okay and he he put a track on the thing

2380
01:53:03,590 --> 01:53:00,540
and he tracked it I can't remember where

2381
01:53:06,109 --> 01:53:03,600
he he followed it but he tracked the

2382
01:53:09,890 --> 01:53:06,119
tracks he followed the evidence

2383
01:53:12,109 --> 01:53:09,900
way back into the the scrub that's to

2384
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:12,119
the South

2385
01:53:16,609 --> 01:53:14,580
um and then he lost him but you know I

2386
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:16,619
just kept saying Kevin did you see how

2387
01:53:21,890 --> 01:53:19,080
big those tracks were and he's like yeah

2388
01:53:27,890 --> 01:53:25,010
um everybody's armed right I remember

2389
01:53:30,109 --> 01:53:27,900
the first time I saw a skin walker uh

2390
01:53:33,470 --> 01:53:30,119
episode one season when I'm like man

2391
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:33,480
what's yeah what's with the guns

2392
01:53:43,550 --> 01:53:39,490
it makes a lot of sense

2393
01:53:47,090 --> 01:53:43,560
uh yeah when you see tracks like that

2394
01:53:50,209 --> 01:53:47,100
and I have to be out there by myself and

2395
01:53:52,490 --> 01:53:50,219
Bryant AKA Dragon great guy that he is

2396
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:52,500
he's like it's like Pete you don't have

2397
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:54,360
to go out there by yourself at all just

2398
01:53:58,430 --> 01:53:56,159
just let me know and I'll go with you

2399
01:54:01,689 --> 01:53:58,440
because you know he's it's his gig he's

2400
01:54:05,390 --> 01:54:01,699
a security guy he and Caleb and

2401
01:54:07,370 --> 01:54:05,400
and you know why the guns uh I've seen

2402
01:54:10,490 --> 01:54:07,380
the tracks and if you want to see the

2403
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:10,500
tracks that I saw you know they're up on

2404
01:54:14,930 --> 01:54:12,780
Twitter and then reposted a lot since I

2405
01:54:19,790 --> 01:54:14,940
put them up there I mean they're right

2406
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:19,800
next to my size 13 foot I mean big man

2407
01:54:27,709 --> 01:54:23,760
that's crazy now you mentioned earlier

2408
01:54:30,169 --> 01:54:27,719
um that the research is is ongoing right

2409
01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:30,179
it's not dependent on the production

2410
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:32,940
crew and you know that it's only going

2411
01:54:39,050 --> 01:54:35,760
on when you need to film episodes it's

2412
01:54:41,750 --> 01:54:39,060
it's going on all year long yep um are

2413
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,760
you in contact this is uh leading up to

2414
01:54:46,689 --> 01:54:43,920
my question are you in contact with

2415
01:54:50,570 --> 01:54:46,699
everybody at the ranch like

2416
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:50,580
all the time uh I won't say constantly

2417
01:54:55,310 --> 01:54:53,040
but I mean they become they become

2418
01:54:56,450 --> 01:54:55,320
friends of mine you know we we chat now

2419
01:54:58,250 --> 01:54:56,460
and then

2420
01:54:59,930 --> 01:54:58,260
um

2421
01:55:02,090 --> 01:54:59,940
let's see

2422
01:55:05,149 --> 01:55:02,100
um I I of course I can't say what's

2423
01:55:06,109 --> 01:55:05,159
going on but things have been very busy

2424
01:55:08,450 --> 01:55:06,119
there

2425
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:08,460
yeah you can answer this you can answer

2426
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:10,800
this question you can answer don't worry

2427
01:55:16,729 --> 01:55:13,679
I'll deal with Brandon in the NDA okay

2428
01:55:19,490 --> 01:55:16,739
I'll I'll I'll take care of that for you

2429
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:19,500
the boulders

2430
01:55:25,970 --> 01:55:23,119
are they moving them now

2431
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:25,980
two episodes ago three episodes ago

2432
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,040
maybe four episodes ago they bring in

2433
01:55:34,910 --> 01:55:31,679
that huge crane right removing those

2434
01:55:36,649 --> 01:55:34,920
Boulders that way 50 tons each whatever

2435
01:55:38,570 --> 01:55:36,659
you know they're crazy they're they're

2436
01:55:41,689 --> 01:55:38,580
big they're huge

2437
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:41,699
nothing it's been crickets ever since

2438
01:55:48,770 --> 01:55:45,360
so my question is are they moving those

2439
01:55:54,770 --> 01:55:51,590
you can answer don't worry I can't don't

2440
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:54,780
worry about them I can't

2441
01:56:00,770 --> 01:55:58,320
I mean yes I have an NDA but as I just

2442
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:00,780
said these are also these are friends of

2443
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:02,400
mine I mean we've earned each other's

2444
01:56:12,070 --> 01:56:05,760
trust and I I just can't I can't I can't

2445
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:12,080
I won't so they are do you have any idea

2446
01:56:16,189 --> 01:56:13,920
do you

2447
01:56:17,649 --> 01:56:16,199
what's under the boulders what are they

2448
01:56:21,410 --> 01:56:17,659
going to find

2449
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,420
and and okay one last question I I thank

2450
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:23,520
you for answering that Brandon don't

2451
01:56:27,770 --> 01:56:25,320
worry about it it's okay we know you're

2452
01:56:29,330 --> 01:56:27,780
moving the boulders the red stuff in the

2453
01:56:33,169 --> 01:56:29,340
cave

2454
01:56:35,629 --> 01:56:33,179
what's going on that's interesting I I

2455
01:56:38,450 --> 01:56:35,639
don't know what it is I don't have any I

2456
01:56:40,990 --> 01:56:38,460
don't have the 401 on that either but

2457
01:56:42,609 --> 01:56:41,000
when I saw that

2458
01:56:45,950 --> 01:56:42,619
hmm

2459
01:56:47,689 --> 01:56:45,960
interesting we we need a geologist to

2460
01:56:50,810 --> 01:56:47,699
tell us what that is because I don't

2461
01:56:52,430 --> 01:56:50,820
recognize it it's shiny that's the crazy

2462
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:52,440
part about it

2463
01:56:57,770 --> 01:56:56,340
you know if it's oh uh no I'm I'm saying

2464
01:57:01,370 --> 01:56:57,780
this wrong

2465
01:57:04,129 --> 01:57:01,380
um if it's natural it's old

2466
01:57:07,430 --> 01:57:04,139
oh yeah right okay so it's been there

2467
01:57:09,229 --> 01:57:07,440
for a while but but it also looks

2468
01:57:11,450 --> 01:57:09,239
moist

2469
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:11,460
it looks like

2470
01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:14,820
um glossy paint that was poured down a

2471
01:57:20,689 --> 01:57:16,260
rock wall

2472
01:57:22,390 --> 01:57:20,699
in nature when does that happen so what

2473
01:57:26,510 --> 01:57:22,400
is that

2474
01:57:29,689 --> 01:57:26,520
and my my first you know where's Thomas

2475
01:57:32,270 --> 01:57:29,699
when we need him you know let's get down

2476
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:32,280
there and do a biopsy right let's get

2477
01:57:37,250 --> 01:57:34,800
down there and Claw that stuff off of

2478
01:57:40,189 --> 01:57:37,260
the wall and let's get a sample of it

2479
01:57:43,010 --> 01:57:40,199
and and test it I find that fascinating

2480
01:57:45,890 --> 01:57:43,020
too as well look it's the lidars the GPR

2481
01:57:48,109 --> 01:57:45,900
it's the Dome it's the 1.6 it's

2482
01:57:50,450 --> 01:57:48,119
everything that's going on there and

2483
01:57:52,970 --> 01:57:50,460
then it's the other stuff to me that is

2484
01:57:56,450 --> 01:57:52,980
equally as fascinating well I agreed

2485
01:57:58,970 --> 01:57:56,460
yeah I agree there's a lot of there's a

2486
01:58:00,890 --> 01:57:58,980
lot of nuance so you're right well wait

2487
01:58:04,510 --> 01:58:00,900
a minute you guys moved some huge rocks

2488
01:58:11,810 --> 01:58:07,070
moving on to something else when there's

2489
01:58:15,050 --> 01:58:11,820
that you know that red stuff inside the

2490
01:58:17,089 --> 01:58:15,060
Mesa that got filmed what's that

2491
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:17,099
and you know all I can say about that

2492
01:58:24,950 --> 01:58:21,840
and I'm not I'm not on the inside this

2493
01:58:28,729 --> 01:58:24,960
is just my best guess is

2494
01:58:31,609 --> 01:58:28,739
it's it's again it's that

2495
01:58:33,290 --> 01:58:31,619
it's that never-ending tug of war

2496
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:33,300
between

2497
01:58:39,290 --> 01:58:35,040
the television show

2498
01:58:40,550 --> 01:58:39,300
and the ongoing research and it's how do

2499
01:58:42,530 --> 01:58:40,560
you fit all this into a shooting

2500
01:58:46,370 --> 01:58:42,540
schedule and uh

2501
01:58:49,790 --> 01:58:46,380
I'm I'm sympathetic to that okay that's

2502
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:49,800
why the research goes on all the time

2503
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:51,840
is as you might guess when you don't

2504
01:58:55,490 --> 01:58:53,760
have five cameras in your face and a

2505
01:58:58,250 --> 01:58:55,500
huge crew and

2506
01:59:02,209 --> 01:58:58,260
you know all of that going on a whole

2507
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:02,219
lot more work gets done off season right

2508
01:59:08,330 --> 01:59:06,000
right right yeah yeah I want to go up

2509
01:59:10,729 --> 01:59:08,340
there I I want to go up and just hang

2510
01:59:14,930 --> 01:59:10,739
out for a couple of days and and and

2511
01:59:17,570 --> 01:59:14,940
check it out myself the uh the the UAP

2512
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:17,580
aspect of it oh you know what okay we're

2513
01:59:25,149 --> 01:59:22,320
we're now uh 60 seconds over uh so I'm

2514
01:59:28,430 --> 01:59:25,159
just gonna end it with this the uaps

2515
01:59:29,870 --> 01:59:28,440
that you observed and and what we're

2516
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:29,880
seeing in the show

2517
01:59:38,570 --> 01:59:34,320
are they directly above or are we seeing

2518
01:59:42,290 --> 01:59:38,580
stuff that is is Miles and Miles Away

2519
01:59:44,930 --> 01:59:42,300
you know it it like the UAP that you saw

2520
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:44,940
the first one right the date was that

2521
01:59:52,550 --> 01:59:48,719
directly above Skinwalker yes

2522
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:52,560
wow really I was on basically on the the

2523
01:59:56,810 --> 01:59:55,199
driveway the entrance Road right looking

2524
02:00:01,250 --> 01:59:56,820
Due West

2525
02:00:02,750 --> 02:00:01,260
towards you know past the

2526
02:00:05,209 --> 02:00:02,760
um

2527
02:00:07,129 --> 02:00:05,219
God why do I lose the word the ranch

2528
02:00:09,709 --> 02:00:07,139
itself the main building

2529
02:00:14,270 --> 02:00:09,719
towards the Mesa and the triangle and

2530
02:00:18,169 --> 02:00:14,280
this thing was in this guy at altitude

2531
02:00:21,109 --> 02:00:18,179
um directly over what I would call

2532
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:21,119
the Mesa the triangle

2533
02:00:27,050 --> 02:00:24,000
wow incredible incredible Pete Kelsey

2534
02:00:28,910 --> 02:00:27,060
thank you so much my pleasure uh and and

2535
02:00:31,790 --> 02:00:28,920
here's the thing

2536
02:00:35,570 --> 02:00:31,800
um we now uh we've got a mutual close

2537
02:00:39,050 --> 02:00:35,580
friend and now I can get all the mud on

2538
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:39,060
P Kelsey that I know God and yeah

2539
02:00:45,109 --> 02:00:42,360
exactly but it's a two-way street hey

2540
02:00:47,149 --> 02:00:45,119
Pete uh thank you for everything it was

2541
02:00:49,250 --> 02:00:47,159
a great conversation tonight I look

2542
02:00:52,250 --> 02:00:49,260
forward to uh the next time that you're

2543
02:00:54,589 --> 02:00:52,260
on the show uh good luck uh good luck up

2544
02:00:56,330 --> 02:00:54,599
there and and and just keep the

2545
02:00:58,310 --> 02:00:56,340
discoveries coming my friend thank you

2546
02:00:59,689 --> 02:00:58,320
so much thank you Jimmy it's been a

2547
02:01:02,270 --> 02:00:59,699
pleasure a lot of fun

2548
02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:02,280
all the best right there

2549
02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:05,820
Pete Kelsey and something strange is

2550
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:10,080
going on up there and uh now uh no

2551
02:01:16,550 --> 02:01:12,719
episode tonight so Christina and I will

2552
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:16,560
not be doing a review uh tomorrow uh

2553
02:01:20,810 --> 02:01:18,719
that we do normally every single week

2554
02:01:24,470 --> 02:01:20,820
but we will be picking up in the latest

2555
02:01:25,669 --> 02:01:24,480
episode uh next Wednesday what am I

2556
02:01:28,550 --> 02:01:25,679
doing tomorrow night on the show

2557
02:01:30,649 --> 02:01:28,560
tomorrow night we have got oh that's

2558
02:01:35,089 --> 02:01:30,659
right tomorrow night we've got Rob

2559
02:01:37,609 --> 02:01:35,099
shelski here uh tomorrow night and uh

2560
02:01:40,370 --> 02:01:37,619
we're gonna be doing ancient megalithic

2561
02:01:43,430 --> 02:01:40,380
structures and a whole lot more tomorrow

2562
02:01:45,530 --> 02:01:43,440
night with Rob shelsky I want to thank

2563
02:01:47,149 --> 02:01:45,540
everybody for hanging out tonight what a

2564
02:01:50,390 --> 02:01:47,159
great conversation thank you Pete

2565
02:01:52,970 --> 02:01:50,400
perfect show for me tonight absolutely

2566
02:01:55,070 --> 02:01:52,980
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2569
02:02:03,609 --> 02:02:00,360
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2570
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2571
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2577
02:02:21,589 --> 02:02:19,679
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2579
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2580
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:25,500
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2581
02:02:32,530 --> 02:02:29,280
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